Episode #118

Guys Welcome to the gig economy podcast episode 118 with me Jason and yes for the day

Wow hey guys how are you guys doing tonight?

Welcome to the show

118 already wants this often time is going to the summer is going so crazy ridiculous if you go to our

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Yeah, I think I owe somebody some merch soon. Maybe next month soon. Anyways, go to the gig economy. show.com for everything gig economy, podcast related, you can download the podcast, you can watch old videos you can do whatever, whatever you want to do on that site. You should you should have it there. And then our picnic again is September 17 2022. From two to 4pm in Grand Rapids, Michigan. If you are not from the area, we encourage you to come if you are from the area, we encourage you to come bring a friend and we're gonna have some fun. Yeah, lots of it. Lots of it. Lots of fun. I think it's been confirmed there are going to be

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need to find like I don't I don't have a good button. All I have is bad ones. smoked meats. That's that's as good as I can get it.

Yeah, I'm gonna get my I gotta get my smoker out of the out of the the I have a I have a shot now. Do you know that's incredible. We moved into the house. And I saw that like, on the table that like there was a pair of keys and it says shin. I have a shit. I didn't even know it's incredible. You bought the house. You didn't even know you had a shot. I did not know how to share.

Real quick. Hi, Tom. Hi, Larry. And Hi, Steve from writer rodeo. Dave. Larry, just want to let you know thinking about you just to let everyone know. Yep. Mr. Larry got COVID from our podcasting conference we snuggled all week, and I didn't get it this time. He got it. And that guy got it bad.

So what I want to know, though, is since you got it last time, and he got to this time. Is positioning a factor? Were you in front of him behind?

That is a very good,

I don't know.

Yeah, that's really good. I mean, so that means I don't know. I don't know. No, no, I was on the bottom the whole time. Larry, Larry says I need to get it off before I get it over for the picnic, which is September 17. Larry's coming from Bowling Green. What's your excuse?

I don't know if I'm gonna be there. I'm

talking to people that are listening. So I want to mention our Patreon members. Of course, as always, Keith from Indiana Larry from Bowling Green Sampson from Grand Rapids. Steve from Colorado, Chris from Grand Rapids. James from Fort Collins bud from North Carolina. Tom Kelly from Houston and Mr. Omar from Detroit. Yep, definitely love for you to join that if, if

you just kind of say there's no limit there, we have room for many more Patreon. Yeah, and

you don't even you don't even have you can do more than $10 to Yeah, I mean, you can do $100 If you want. I mean, I'm not going to turn it down. Yeah, I turned down 100 No, I will.

So what I want to point out though, too, and this is just coming in it's kind of my mind, but if you happen to see the me Jason out in the wild, please honk at us. Alright, say hello or something like that. It's fun. You know, I'm you know, with me being out more and with with Jason Condon gonna come on soon, even though he keeps saying he's not gonna do passengers. I'm not just gonna do deliveries. But how are we going to be doing like, by night, Saturday night.

I'm too old for that shit. I want to be in bed at nine o'clock. But

it's so much fun. And I must admit to it. So I heard through the grapevine that that grant app is no longer have a they no longer have a bar scene. I don't agree with that. I was out last Saturday to 230 I was Oh, you

were out that late. I didn't want I didn't Yeah, I didn't fall off in the I actually

did a full 12 hour drive.

That's crazy. But I

you know, made good money. And there was lots of things going on. And literally every night all night long. It was it was right after right. That's right. Yeah. And I didn't have exon. Yeah, that's huge. So I mean, so I think that, you know, maybe it's coming back or it was the fact I mean, obviously a big deal is that other college students are back. We know that. Oh, yeah, that is actually the I got I got paid to drive to Allendale and drive back for and then drive better didn't really I got paid for three roads. Oh my god. So that was pretty cool. But no. And two of them was a competent one was Excel. So again, it only works.

Yeah for sure. Real quick before we jump in the news, of course the telegram group that we were talking about, you can join that and talk about with other rideshare drivers around the country. And then of course, Steve from rideshare. Rodeo was just on his show on Monday night. That guy puts out a ton of content and it's great content, go to Uber Lyft drivers.com and search the rideshare rodeo or you can just search rideshare rodeo as well, you know prefers you to go to the website, of course. So check that out. He's one of my good friends and we'll be doing the radio show. I need to add that to the rundown. Starting on September 9, I think yes, her and I are both going to be on that episode. And then we're going to alternate from there. But that'll be fun with Steve and Tom forum. Tom Kelly from Houston.

Absolutely. We can't wait to get back on it. Who called we kind of took the summer off. And now we we need to get back on there. Yeah,

yeah. After my busy week tonight. This week, I was like, Why did I agree to add a another show again, but it'll be fine. Everything will settle out fast. Right? Summer goes by so fast.

I cannot believe in so fast. So we have to like take everything down and pack away the pool.

Right? Why don't you talk about you want to talk a little bit more about your driving and

I can absolutely. So I set out to actually our first just driving Friday night, just kind of I was just going to my plan all along has been just drive one night. It'd be weekend. It wasn't like I'm back on the road. And really just my goal has been I want to make 100 bucks and then back. That's been the goal. Yeah, that's kind of you know, just getting back in the swing of things. And so I went out Friday night. I did 16. White. And it was it was one of those things just right after right after right after ride. Yeah, I was home in bed at 10. At 1230.

Still too late.

Yes. Still too late. But I had made almost $200 Right. And and it was 16. Right. So. So I wake up in the morning, and here is that my quest came in, right? It's like, if you do 50 rides, you get baba, baba, bah bah, bah, bah, bah, I started doing Miami. The amount was this question. I could do 50 rights when it isn't 140? Yeah, well, I could do and then there was an additional quest starting after that, which I didn't do. But then there was I could do 60 Right. And then I would have been I think it was 160. And I, you know, it wasn't that big of a deal. So I just did the 50 rights. Yeah. Which I you know, you got they make you accepted. So I just accepted the thing. And I wasn't going to do it because it is what it is. Yeah. But then it came up Saturday morning. I was like, Well, I really only need to do

another 34 Right. Oh, so that 16 applied

to because that was Friday morning. Friday morning, right? So it will go to do 3034 Right. It's no wonder you know how long it will take to do that. And so I actually went now at 2pm Saturday thinking okay, let me just see how long it's gonna take and I'll just keep going until I either you know, have closing off or be done. Yeah. And lo and behold, I drove 12 hours straight. I took one break and I did I did. I did 32 rides so I needed two more rides right he did

32 rides in that 12 hour yep, yep. Oh my gosh, were you focused on trying to stay downtown?

Oh absolutely. I stayed away from the metro cruise because no let's not get caught up in the metric cruise right and then actually had there was an additional after seven o'clock they add an additional $3 per ride all the way from three from 770 7pm to 3am. So there was an additional fee per ride so at that point once you hit seven o'clock I actually turned on the Xs because while I might as well just yeah oh yeah. Especially with the extra three bucks I know and so that was a huge deal and so all of a sudden they just mean hit seven o'clock and I got tons arrived so it was just bang them out. And so yeah, come I think it was quarter to two i i actually got my second ride out to Allendale I think okay, I'm tired to go home. And at that point, I just only needed two more rights. Okay. And the cool thing is, and this is something that so grant Abbott's you can you can learn this, I learned is you know, Saturday, obviously, it says on the quest that the ride tests are starting when Abbott's but apparently they mean grant habits and suburbs because they no longer counted. Why?

Yep, I had don't usually drive or draw a box around it yet, but that's

not for the big quest. That's, that's just with a little quiz. Okay. Joe, and just says they have to be in Grand Rapids. Okay, but so I chose I actually I ended up when I took when I dropped my last person off in Allendale. I quickly got To follow up, right, because you always do that now. Yeah, these little ones is the people who just need like to go down the street or whatever. And they counted towards the well. So that was two because I got up Sunday morning took two rides quickly, and I was done.

I can't believe you only had two more rides. You couldn't pull it off. Ah,

no, but it was awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. So now one story I want to share that I shared with you a little bit earlier, because it was a kind of a fun thing. And one of the things I've missed a lot was just the interaction with the people and it's obviously 34 rides, tons of people. But this one was fun, because I had I was downtown. I think it's, it's either I on Yahoo, I forget Nyonya anyways, it's a one way street. And it hit it hits into Fulton it was probably 11 3011 o'clock, something like that. It's, you know, it's like, and here is a car coming right smack in front of me. I mean, going towards me. Opposite direction on one Rideau and I just stood on my Hawaiian, and I had a bachelor party in the back of my car, and they all just started cheering like crazy for me. Whoa, yeah. And they just went crazy. It was so much. That is

so fun. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I know. I know. You love that energy. And a lot of people do. I

just it is that energy in the car. It's just it's it's just invigorating. I like it. That's that. Yeah. That's the reason I drive. Yeah,

very cool. gig economy in the news. First off, I want to show this awesome picture. I know we're excited for this guy to come to the mainstream TV. Tony, how do you pronounce his last name? I don't know, Tony, you. I mean is the ex silent. I don't know. DoorDash is a big day for us at DoorDash. We are celebrating that. Recently, our CEO and co founder Tony Lilla was selected to be a guest shark on next season of Shark Tank. We're excited to see what happens when Shark Tank entrepreneurs pitch in front of Tony and series regulars. So no one cares. Tony Sue, Tony Sue.

That's what Muhammad is saying. Thank you.

So the funny thing is, okay, so I got a hold on best. So the comments

doo doo doo doo. What are you doing? I was doing waiting. I'm gonna throw

this mouse. First comment, I see your acceptance rate is below 70%. So I'm out. You know, even though that show like blah, blah, blah, I'm out. I'm out the next one. You're not willing to lose money or sacrifice your car so I can profit. I'm out. I'm out. So anyways, I thought those two comments were good, but I don't know. I mean, it's weird to have him on there. And I wonder if he's actually going to be investing his own money? Because I know the regular that's what

they're doing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, I watched an interview with I forget his name, of course, I always do. He's the he's the tech guy. One of them is he specializes in new kinds of tech startups and that kind of stuff. And he says is really hasn't been very profitable for him at a shark tank. Yeah, no, yeah. You you hit that one once in a while. But nine out of 10 of them they lose money on? Oh, wow.

So one of them that I actually buy their product. Its mission belt. Basically, it's a belt that double and there's so many more out of them. Now, I don't know if mission was but they were a shark tanker. And I think Mr. Wonderful. Actually see him in the ads. I think they're doing great. I don't know. I don't know how profitable is for him. But

well, he's the he's the one he will he will do everything to do a licensing deal.

Yeah, yeah. And he's the he's the stingy one, for sure. I wonder if they get paid a base though. Like just an appearance fee plus, or you don't think they're doing it for free?

Well, I don't know. I have no idea. But you know, it's not really free. It's the it's been presented the opportunities to invest. Right, I saw somebody else it wasn't that at all about this show here. But you know, the people who are on that side of being that wealthy Yeah, they need opportunities to invest. Oh, really? Yeah. Because what else are they gonna do with their money that's how they grow their fortune right to invest more, you know, finding more and they okay with losing a nine, you know, nine out of 10 as long as they tend to make Smeg up you know, Bukola good

point. I want to have that much money that I can lose nine out of 10 and it's still okay, but yeah, 10th one makes absolute absolute that's crazy. It's

just ridiculous. But yeah, they need that they need to do that. So like for instance, if you find opportunities to invest in a I don't know, housing project or whatever. Don't be scared to go out and pitch it to some kind of mega rich guy because yeah, needs that pet

and they do like doing it too, because that's what gets them up in the morning is growing a business and be like, Man, this was a hit. So I really love that show I, sometimes the people that the valuations they put on their company to like, oh, I don't really know math very well, but when they put the percentage that they they're offering and they're like, I'm like, wait, they're saying that thing's worth like $10 million? I'm like, so wait.

So the company you don't even have a concept on yet?

No, they have a concept, right? Yeah. The funny part is when they're like, how are your sales? Well, we haven't sold any yet. Oh, hey, lots, this is gonna have to be an incredible pitch

and you think you're $12 million worth?

Yeah, I'd like $12 million. I'll give you 3%. Okay. You know, they put those on on purpose just for the show. But

Oh, of course, yeah, of course. And they choose the ones that are interesting like that, because they also know that there is there's marketing value. And of course, of course,

so you're up next.

I'm up next. I don't know. What about next time? See, I'm completely no, yeah. You can put it up there.

It's been up for about five seconds.

I can't look at both thing at the same time. So will you please open your garage door? We have a

premise what it is first. Remember audio listeners? They need to know it as you can't just stop rambling. It's

a photo Yes. To animals. Having sexy time. It's two frogs. And apparently Jason thought it was like super, super funny. I don't know. So, but this guy says. And he's obviously somebody texting somebody else. He goes, Do you want to open your garage? We have two frogs having sexy time.

No, there. He's delivering an order.

I know. It's an old Yes, it's a DoorDash.

So basically, I just thought it was hilarious. There's like 100 comments on like, what are the chances that there's two frogs banging on the front door? Banging on the front door? Yeah, so I thought that was funny.

Sorry, I'll promise to keep chugging along now.

Yeah, follow along. I sprung it on you, but you should always have your your nevermind. I'm just going to shut up. Right here. Lisa, thanks for joining. I appreciate you coming along. Alright, so this is like kind of just this is. This is so stupid. I don't know why I brought it up. But I think it's funny. So in Grand Rapids is an article here. Gotta mute this site. Because spammy. News. 13 is super spammy. Lime hosts first ride Academy in Grand Rapids and gave out free helmets. The event was an opportunity for members of the company to teach people how to ride the scooters, both safely and responsibly. Who even came to that for one like?

Well, they all should have. Because I mean, I think last weekend, I saw two people down,

like you saw him go down or they were just laying in front of the scooter while they're laying

there. And then there's ambulances and police and stuff. Yeah, I know. And he's one of them. were hit by a car. It's like, come on.

I kind of feel like, I mean, I guess this is good marketing for them. But I guess a year ago, a woman died in Grand Rapids from one of those scooters. She was drunk and She smacked her head. But I just thought it was funny that like, lime is only doing that to slip. Am I gonna get to marketing? Yes. Yeah.

I'm seeing more bikes now than just the scooters. Yeah, I do. See, I think they have two or three different bike models.

Yeah, they've upgraded the lime scooter models to

in, I think in tune with they've killed Dr. The company and taking the other company away. Yeah, lime, I think is moving moving more like vehicles, if you will, into the market.

I was looking at the Reddit post about the lime scooters. And the spin scooters that I have are all done. People were having the same problem with them. They as as riders the GPS issue was was the same for spin. Not picking them up. But because they were done by a W two. But I thought that was funny.

Yeah. That was but and again, you know, Jason is talking about when he tried very briefly to be a juicer and his biggest problem was he couldn't figure out how to you know, they wouldn't accept the drop off. So you he'd had the lime scooter back home, he charged it. Yeah. And he wouldn't accept the drop off, which is obviously a big huge fail.

What's weird to me is, it was well, maybe because there's a geofence because picking them up wasn't a problem. It didn't matter where it was like you that GPS was right on the money, but they do the geofence thing and when you're downtown with those big tall buildings, that's the biggest issue. Although, granted there was one by the river right over by right over the bridge by the Van Andel Devos Place right? And there's no big build. I mean, there's big buildings but not right next to it and I still couldn't get it to work.

So do you think maybe it was us era?

You using that joke I use on you earlier. How dare you? Let's talk about Spark delivery which is

interesting that you asked me to talk about Spark delivery when I'm not a spark driver, but that's okay. I could talk about And so basically, we actually had we have somewhat of a relationship with with DDI. Obviously, he's been on our show a couple of times. Yeah. And Jason obviously has been driving for Spark for how long? Ah, at least a year.

Yeah, I've done I only do it one year. No, I've done it, too. I did it one year. And then I remember could they deactivate him in the summer? And then well, because you have to every 14 weeks you have to take an order. But yeah,

so we always talked about having many buckets. So this was just Jason adding another bucket to it. And I'm sure he's gonna activate it again, you know, when when he gets back on writing, but anyways, the good big news is that Walmart is buying spark delivery network, they're buying DVI, the team so Walmart is acquiring delivery drivers Inc, which is DDI, the team behind is this bike driver platform. And basically, they're doing that to bring it all in house. They they kind of talked to a bunch of different people and, and a lot of the drivers was kind of, I guess there was some confusion about who are the diving for walking or whatever it was. But anyway, so Walmart went out and said, We want to kill that you want to get bringing all in house be one company. All the drivers from DDI is gonna be offered to be to come work for Walmart, obviously.

Well, you don't work for Walmart. Well, you will be they you Oh, they will be working with Walmart. It's going to be the owner, I guess. Yeah, I guess you're right. So anyways,

that Walmart is saying here that we are always looking for you for ways to build a better experience. And we heard from drivers that working through two companies for support was not ideal. Bringing driver support in house will provide a simplified experience and we look forward to driver feedback. And so basically, that was this was a couple of weeks ago now that they all kind of been into told told people about that. The cool thing is that obviously DDI was founded in 1996, by Aaron Hagerman. And he did that without raising any venture capital, which is pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah. Critical. Here's my weird question. So Walmart's buying them so they weren't just Walmart was their biggest customer. Yeah, but they also provided like for small businesses, like we talked about on the interview, they provided, you know, tax help, and like human resource help, and that kind of stuff. So that's just gonna get wiped away, right? Because like

Walmart says, Unless Walmart is getting ready to enter that market, as well, maybe, and kind of do more, because here's the thing. We talked about this for a long time. gig is interrupting the workforce. It is right. Yeah. And so I'm assuming that the people working for Walmart is changing their company as well.

Yeah, I my guess is they don't they just wanted the date. They you know, they wanted to do everything in house. Who knows? What's interesting is Walmart bought you remember Joy Ron? They bought volt sis systems, which? Oh, no, I guess I'm sorry. They bought volt systems, a peer to peer delivery app last mile and joy run in 2020, and so on. But did they crush joy? Ron, that was a weird one. Remember that one? I did. You know, Jamie and I were both at that startup meeting for that. And I

was I was there. Were you there to add pizza.

And remember that if you were there, too, but that was kind of a flop wasn't it? It kind of was yes. I don't even know if they're still in business anymore. Basically, the gist of joy run was you could take people would meet you like you could take multiple orders. I think about going to a college campus. And then you're like right in the middle of a parking lot. And everyone comes down to you to pick it up. So it's more like multiple orders at a restaurant you

drive two or three restaurants pick up all the food you drive one place, drop it all off. Yeah,

but but it didn't work. I don't think it worked for here, because I think we're too spread out

when it was too far to the college. Well, yeah,

and there wasn't a ton of restaurants. I mean, there's more out there now but yeah, I think they're still around but maybe not. I don't

know if they're in Grand Rapids sell but yeah, PeeWee if you if you guys know about you can let us know.

Well, we don't care. You don't care? You don't but I'm happy for Aaron. I mean, that's pretty cool that he sold his business I mean, let's face it all these small businesses in the gig economy. They're gonna take a buyout and I would too I don't blame them like if Ubers like hey, we want to buy you as long as the price is right well, of course you know what I mean? How would you not say no like it's your family like your family all of a sudden is just now taken care of. And so what would be your price? Oh, man like Dubai. What the podcasts out by you.

Oh, I mean to like, I mean, whatever it was, I was.

Oh, I mean, yeah. Take take away not knowing the valuation of my company. What would be my price? $5 million dollars. I'd sell out for $5 million.

You remember the good the story back in the days about that this coupon company? He did this. He didn't just coupon but the big thing back probably five years ago Savings Angel No no no no this was the same time about that though. The whole thing about you can get on you could get a pizza coupon all these kinds of different coupons I forget the name of the company anyways Google when knocking on their door and offer them like $6 billion and he turned it down because he thought it was worth more

oh I remember you talking about I don't think it was a coupon company

why it was kind of like there was one of those where you can get your code on their website you could you could you would buy you would buy the product from him and you could take the code to the to the restaurant whatever it was either way either way but yeah the thing is he should have he should have also taken it because now it's like worth nothing right? No Groupon yeah Groupon Exactly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right Google offer them like $6 billion. And he said he said no, because he thought it was worth more.

That's incredible. I might go less than six or 6 billion Yeah, I might go less than 5 million.

I mean, it was so it depends. Well I look at like you want to invest

a couple mil so you can live off the interest and you know what I mean? So I think 5 million after taxes would be a fair amount

but he should have realized was that it's just a fad and it's gonna go away. Yeah, next year we'll come sell it now while it's on i i still

use Groupon for only for like if if I don't go to Irvine's and I just need a quick oil change. I don't need any repairs. I go to Groupon. That's the only time I ever go there though.

He's too difficult for me. I don't want to do it.

It's not that difficult. Yes. For No, it's not.

I just don't want to deal with

a painful price. I do. Okay, well, when when when synthetic oil changes or $95 at Valve? Or 60?

I get to pin I go to Pennzoil. Yeah, and I get synthetic for 65. So

Oh, well. That's not too bad then. No, no. All right, moving forward. Oh, gosh, this is hilarious. I mean, it looks legit. Again, I'm all you guys are always so skeptical me but there's instructions. Always DoorDash like DoorDash like rules the world for this shit. But instructions now. It has emojis in there too. By the way. Leave at my door. Please don't knock. I'm stoned and have crazy dogs. The dogs will try to eat you through the window. I will scream because I'm high and don't know what's going on. Even though I do I just ordered food. It will scare the shit out of you and maybe scare shit out of me. And maybe you too. I apologize for my poorly behaved animals. 100% my fault. I know if you could just set the food on the white bench by my window. That would be amazing. I will creep out when I know. I won't bump into a neighbor and have to explain my red eyeballs or obscene amount of junk food. Seriously. Thank you for running my food to me. Thanks. So I think it's awesome. Two things one, he didn't write this one he was high because this is well written so he clearly has the citizen instructions all the time. But right I thought I thought that was incredible. I love reading those. It's super funny

when it's just when they make a little bit more out of it. That's you know, that's worth it.

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Oh, Larry. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You said we should have ordered we should have put this in the notes when we got our crumble cookies. So So what about the combo cookie? Well, we ended up going to get in Texas barbecue and it's a long story but I ended up going to Texas barbecue and then we ended up ordering crumble cookies and I was so frickin full and we just like sat on the couch and watch a comedy special in chromo cookies. I actually had Uber Eats deliver two monsters to me too. So after tip, it was $10 for two monsters. So it is like they're normally like $2.50 apiece. Oh my gosh. And the crumble cookies for? I think it was was it for six? No, it was for four. And they're good. Was like $23 with tip.

What the hell are you guys doing?

Everyone bitches about no one tips on those platforms.

Ignore You have to tip I'm good with that. But

dude, we didn't have a car $23 for cookies. It was so good. Better be good. It was good. They were good. God, it was so much fun. I felt like I was in a diabetic coma after that.

That's so horrible. It was so good.

Yeah, you know, real quick before we jump ahead, it was incredibly hard to get Ubers and lifts in Dallas.

I mean, he kept talking about how it was just a shitshow

it was it was so hard like the first couple nights at the airport. I had waited 20 minutes finally ordered an Uber Black for 35 bucks, which is still pretty cheap for an Uber Black, but it was it was really hard to find rides and sometimes like if you wanted to go the cheapest if you didn't start early enough, they weren't going to come and so yeah, it was super frustrating but

so they didn't want to come.

Well, I mean, I just think they didn't have any drivers like we talked about out missing drivers, they were missing drivers. They're like, oh, hang out. Well, we find a driver when we find a driver and we had a couple sketch ones. They only had like 150 rides, but we did ride with somebody had 15,000 rides.

Nice. Yeah. Did you ever bring, you know, bring up out of the show and chip? A little bit?

I'm not unfortunately, that was a bad thing to say a lot of them didn't speak English was an English wasn't their first language. I didn't really want to explain it. But we brought it up a couple of times, you know. And so yeah, I don't know if anyone listened. I wrote I want to shut it down as grabbed each of their phones and said Here do you listen to a couple of them said they didn't even listen to podcasts. I'm like, crazy

while we're on podcasts before you know you and I started doing this.

But that was back in 2017. It was relatively new. Now. Podcasting is like

everybody's doing it. Yeah. So So for people who don't know and uninvited Larry, from Bowling Green, and Jason went to the big podcasting convention in, in in Houston, Texas. Nope. Not using what was Ellis, Dallas, Texas. I'm sorry. Yeah. So I knew that too. And I think they learned a ton of good stuff that we're gonna be using at this show. Right, Jason? Aha.

I'm sure you everything I learned there. I'll implement and you'll never even notice the difference. Yeah, Larry says the one guy didn't even know what a podcast was. I'm like, What do you live in under a rock? Sometimes they do man man the last ride to the airport, she we almost died. She got honked at twice on a 15 minute ride. So that tells you she's gotten in and out of traffic. Like ever see people that come in and out of traffic just to get ahead of one car. I'm like, I hate to stay in the lane. It'll be fine. It wasn't even that busy of traffic. So yeah, we're also harmed by the appearance of Ben Shapiro. I don't know if you read that article. But I'm not going to talk about it on this show. Because it's too long of a story. But look it up look up Podcast Movement on Twitter, you'll find it and it's pretty hilarious. Guys sponsor upside, we want you to use it. The link is in the description. I everyone uses gas and gas has come down a little bit, but I still didn't see 376 today. So upside is basically gets you that sent off your gasoline. And if you sign up, if you're a new user, of course, this is only for new user, if you sign up, you get 25 cents off your per gallon per gallon on your first fill up. But if you use the promo code gig economy 25, you get another 25 cents off. So your first fill up. So go there when you're on e and fumes, you get 50 cents off a gallon. So check it out. It's easy. I mean, it's easy. You

go there you pull up the app you it kind of tells you all the gas stations in around right now in Grand Rapids all the BPS on. I know most of the zip codes are marathons on

Yeah, the big the big companies, well, I get those are big companies, but like Shell and Speedway are on. And you

know, I've noticed that too, that it's almost like Citko kind of runs out. Because at the beginning of the month they on and then like over in the middle of the month and

Well, I think it varies on what the current pressure of gases is that makes it I mean, there's some there's times I've gotten it for 18 cents off a gallon. And there's times I got it for three. But what's cool about is like a lot of those marathons, if you just put your if you sign up for the rewards program, you can get five cents off no matter what every time sure you're coding. And then you get money off with addition to the upside. Yeah, yeah. And then you can cash out for gift cards, or you can cash it right out to your bank. Currently, I know $30 in there,

you have 17 on mine, but the one I was gonna say I think it's so super easy. You claim the offer? Yep, you go in you pay your kid you guys. And then you just have to upload a picture of your of your receipt. And literally within minutes, I will have an accepted one. And then you just gotta wait three days for them to give you the money. Yeah. So you know, Mohamed, there

are any promo codes available. The code is gig economy 25. Now, this is only for new users, though. So if you've already, if you've already,

if you have you, if you had your first tank, it's not gonna work, you know, it's not gonna work out. But you can still click on the link that gives us a little bit of

Yeah, click on the link. But yeah, and you can also use it inside a lot of the stores too. Yep. So I mean, check it out. You might as well save money if you can. And some of them you don't even have to take a picture of the receipt, you just check in I note and you use the card that you have on file and they can verify it, which is even better. You don't take a picture. Yep.

And I also noticed that there are several restaurants they have deals on Yeah, so if you're, again, just we all it's a few. It doesn't seem like a lot of money, but it runs up and when it's just a few steps. It's not that big of

a deal, right. All right, moving on. iPad asshole,

you know I saw this Tech Talk. And it was just very interesting. I didn't actually know the story but oh my gosh, what an asshole. Yeah,

so either video

says when you return the iPad to the guy who lied to lift and said you were working drunk.

anyone told you the biggest fucking piece of shit newsmag on the planet count a beat your fucking nasty piece of shit. You're a motherfucker. You have a fucking leg much shit again. I'll fucking beat your fucking ass.

So I don't understand it. Because obviously he's a he's a dick, right? Yeah, bad guy. But he ends by saying if you ever leave my ship again? No. Drivers.

Like, didn't you leave?

I mean, yes. Do I do I do a scan? And you probably do you probably look back. It sounds like you search through your whole car. Oh, and if you don't see anything you drive off. So he's lucky I had a I had a thrown that thing. And then clearly the driver reported him drunk. So he probably got deactivated for three days.

I know. Right? So I would I would pitch it out the window, one of the one of the arrow in the comment. It says yeah, I want to pitch that thing out the window and then left.

Oh my gosh, yeah. You notice he didn't start talking shit until he got the iPad in his name, or in his name in his hand? Yep. Because if he if I would hold it, and he started talking, I would be like, Excuse me? Do you want to, you know, rephrase that.

Open your other window and let's throw it out in front of you. We'll in thought back and

I'm curious. I always say I'm gonna reach out these drivers. I never do. But I'm curious if there was any interaction texting, like the guy was a dick.

And before the why? There's just never a reason to be that way. I don't understand it. It just

Yeah, clearly the guy just thought that he took off on him and was trying to steal his iPad. Like,

don't leave your iPad in the car. Yeah. I think it just brings up a point and say why? There's just never a reason to be rude like that.

I mean, sometimes there is.

I disagree. Yeah, I disagree. Interesting.

I mean, I get like that, right. I get like that too. I lose my shit. And I do. But there's just rarely a reason to it. Well,

yeah, sometimes. Yeah, that's true. There's usually never any any reason behind it. It just happens sometimes.

I mean, Larry, right. I don't think I've ever known Larry to raise his voice never know. He doesn't lose his shit. He's just there. He's awesome all the time.

wouldn't say that. You didn't spend a week with him. You didn't spend a week with him. He used the F word a lot. No. So moving forward, just a real quick there was an Uber driver killed in Dallas that morning that we were flying in. So those floods were super, super bad. And she was on her way home, she had dropped the last person off. Fortunately, she called her husband and then the water was up to her ankles and her knees and it felt like someone was pushing the car. The line went dead. She actually like fell over the overpass and then into a ravine below so it just kind of sad there is a GoFundMe that I have

yet there's a link to it. Yeah, I will. I will see

if we if we not post it and then we'll definitely post it and when we when we post the show.

Yeah, I mean if you feel more inclined. I posted it in the chat you can click on it but but yeah, it's pretty sad. So just be careful out there guys. It's not just passengers that are danger. You know, you gotta be you gotta be you gotta have your head on the swivel all the time

all the time. I remember when you were like talking about as you were flying in those delays and stuff and and the weather was just crazy. I didn't realize somebody actually the pads you know, passed away.

Yeah, I'm surprised that was the only one there may have been more but I couldn't see any more but yeah, they got like 14 inches in like four hours or something. And that was a one in 1000 year flood. They had not had I talked to some locals there. They had not had rain for 70 days. And then that happened. Yeah, like the weird part of it is they must have an incredible drainage system because when we landed there were no puddles. Wow, I know like if if that happened in Grand Rapids I don't know if it's because they have gravel there and sand and everything just goes down real quick but not even on the in the airport or anything. I walked out and everything was dry. But if it happened in Grand Rapids 15 inches in four hours we wouldn't go to work for a week. We wouldn't be able to drive down the road with all the rivers we have on stuff like that but

I mean I don't know maybe maybe it's a little bit higher than granite. Could be

I don't know I was shocked at the rain was all gone. Yes, four or five unique side hustles you probably don't know about

so I don't even know why I posted this story, to be honest. But it's okay. We always talk about buckets, right? We always talk about buckets that you should have. And so this is some just five additional things that you could do if you only driving Uber today, and you're trying to do it full time. What other things could you be doing? That's going to help in helped you to your to your revenue income, your income buckets? Right? Yeah. One of these here is that you can get paid to test websites.

So you as a programmer, I know, you probably have some knowledge. And this is true. Is there something like that out there where you're basically looking for bugs? Right?

Yes, yes. And so we use tools to do it. Oh, yeah. That run in the background? Yes. And we use tools. So we can we basically have tools to test it on every known browse on every known system? Okay. So it'll tell us. But again, if you have, if you have a site with hundreds and hundreds of pages, you know, yeah, I mean, and the client want to make sure that every single page is right on every single device out there. Yeah. And there can be benefits to having that. Absolutely. Yeah. And if you're a small company, let's say you are like a one man shop, I can see that it'd be beneficial to have a system such as this, you know, or if you are like NASA, or one of the big, big, big players, right, that hasn't made so much money doesn't even matter. It's always a good to kind of go out and test new features before they can launch them. So I can see that.

Yeah, Larry said testing for usability to which makes sense, like a user interface. Because a lot of the programming nerves

most of the testing is it's called responsive testing. So you want to make sure that it looks good on all your devices.

Yeah. But also user interface, because you programmers are nerds, and then you're like, oh, and then you get in there. I'm like, this is ugly, and they're like, ugly. What do you care about? It's like, I love you. I

design. Yeah, I

love the Lyft app, because it's pink, it's pleasant to be in, even though sometimes I hate Lyft. And like Ubers is black. And it's just not as pleasant. I haven't seen

the Lyft app in more than three years.

All right, number two.

So I should I should finish there. Say here. Basically, you for the test of the website, you can expect around $10 for about 15 minutes of your time. The problem again here is probably like everything else is can you get four or five or six of these tasks in a row Jamaica was your time? Or can you only get one of them will say help islands with their laundry now we were talking with we would be had an app on here called laundry for a couple of times. Not I think is gone, though. We don't know. Anyway, it's still

out there. But I've I'm a washer and had never got one wash yet.

So Right. Right, right. So basically, help with the laundry, there are several gig companies out there that will do that. If you want to do that if you have access to either a big of your washing machine or access to some some other ones. That's a good way you can make you know in this year, they say seven to $10 per load.

So which was way under what launder was, Oh, yeah. And the driver. Yeah, number three.

Number three is one I had negative never actually heard before. And we'll have to I don't know the service. But basically, you can review legal cases online, you may be able to get paid to review legal cases from home before going to trial. Lawyers look for ways to strengthen this case, their case, you could provide feedback and get paid as an online juror. And basically they're saying from anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes, you can get from 20 to $60 per case, you know, roughly $1 A minute of your time. So that's not too bad. And the last one that I said number four, sorry, not that is number four that I did here. And I think I know that they are active in rabbits. I forget the name of it. But basically you can add strangers use your pool, your pool for a price. So basically, if you have an inground pool, or any boy, I guess, and you know he's not being used on a certain day, you can post that day or that afternoon on the app and somebody else can come out and use your pool for the afternoon. And you can say yeah, I want to charge you know, 1020 whatever that is for for that. If you put us in a big city and you have an inviting outdoor space and maybe an attractive option for renters. And you there's no set rate you get to control what you're

charging. Yeah. Don't tell your homeowners insurance that you're doing that they say that's not a good idea. Pools gotta be like, pools and trampolines are like the worst. Yep,

yep. Number five. We've talked about these kinds of apps a number of different times this year, does he assemble furniture? They're talking about the app TaskRabbit. And but there's a number of apps out there as well. Handy is one TaskRabbit was when we talked about

bid up or bid bud. Yeah, we just talked

a bit but so basically the number of different apps out there where you can kind of do you go in and you can get paid good pay Get Paid sorry to do individual little task. There's a new player in the Michigan mighty called labor. And you don't there, you don't really get paid for a task, but you can post yourself as a laborer. And then you will get hired on an hourly basis by them. Well,

you don't post yourself. You pick the jobs. Well, yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. You're like, I

want that. It's not a task. No, it's an hourly, it's an hourly job. Yeah, for for a certain amount of time. Yeah, so it's a little bit different. But it's still gig gig work. In this case here they say then generally, you can get somewhere between 20 and $50 an hour based on how long it takes you to do a task. Yeah, the

assembling furniture. I hate putting that shit together. Like when you buy it, you know, like Yeah, that's such a pain in the ass. And honestly, it seems simple but if you're an elderly person that has arthritis in your hands, you're not putting that shit together

well and the thing is don't try and do it with the tool with the toys you get with the furniture that's a pain in the ass. Yeah, I mean you gotta I always I throw him away and I use my autopilot my own power tools it goes so much faster.

It does but you Yeah, you should try using the to have a kid

Wow. But it's not that much easier. So that's that's the last one I don't want to mention because that's actually just a credit card off of the app. But basically again, it's just a way for you for you guys to the important here thing here is if you aren't doing this full time and right now you have one maybe two buckets that bucket can be taken away very fast yeah okay. And then you are lost you all your income streams so make sure you do your your due diligence and add you know, two or three more bucks and obviously

like Uber and DoorDash and that's going to be your main money but I mean why not have something that you're like I got an hour to kill I'm missing or my kids are sleeping like maybe 2030 bucks. I did check out the legal one. I saved the link it's online verdict.com It is legit. So I don't know if the money quote is legit. But it definitely is a site and you can sign up to do that. So online

very calm. Let us know if you try and let us know how it goes. If you have you know any kind of design skills, there's tons of freelance jobs out there as well. Yeah, freelance Fiverr or Upwork there's lots of ways of doing that. All right, well, yeah,

we got to get through some of these. We're already at 51 minutes. So I'm cutting you off. DoorDash is ending its delivery partnership with Walmart. Hallelujah. Thank you so much.

If they just because they bought the the I

I think that's part of it. Or it's because they're, they're going to Well, it's funny. I think they bought DDI because remember, we talked about a month ago, maybe it was more than a month ago. They're trying to get their own drivers they're gonna have member they're gonna go in your house and put your groceries away. So this all could be just one big ploy to just get everyone away from Walmart and they're like we're gonna do our own thing. We've got all this data and everything so DoorDash is ending its partnership with Walmart after more than four years of delivering the retail giant's product to customers. That says sources familiar with the matter told insider that DoorDash decided to end his partnership DoorDash decided in his partnership with Walmart because it's no longer mutually mutually mutually beneficial because the delivery company wanted to focus on his long term customer relationships but I call bullshit on that Walmart's like we're out of here but it's interesting they don't get paid as much as spark and I don't know if there's so many hands in the kitty and so they're not going to get paid as much but I don't know so I'm excited about that i We've always had spark around here and not always has been around for a couple of years. And I don't think DoorDash works with Walmart in this area. It's it's area by area by So Mohammed said Kareo haven't tried it yet. I've heard somebody it's not curry it's curial right. I don't know what that is. I've never heard of I mean I've

curry is definitely another one here local you don't talk about curry there's no more

I like curry Yeah, curry is starting to pick up around Grand Rapids but it's starting to pick up everywhere.

They're not signing up any diamonds right now they're

not Tom. Tom will randomly Tom listed from Chicago will randomly send me like I got this curry. I'm not taking this one. It was like today he sent me one literally today. I think it was this morning. It was like 245 miles for $343 I know I know. I don't think those long ones are worth it. And I don't know if I should ask them if it actually it surges like if it went up but we begin some local ones for like, you know for miles for 20 bucks, and I'm like, that's a no brainer. But they're not so often and chances you being by there to make it worth not driving 30 minutes is slim to none.

But do you then do you have a few hours to do it? It doesn't have to be immediately.

Typically it's immediate, but you can Gray, they're flexible. Basically what you do is you grab it. And if you get assigned to it, you call the place and say, just confirming because I've gotten burned once where I went to Sherwin Williams and they sent it with somebody else and I still got 10 bucks to show it for showing up. But you click it you call the real let's say Sherwin Williams. Hey, my name is Jason. I'm picking up order Baba Baba is it's still available. You're ready for me? Yep. Okay. And then if you have a run to make, like a food run, or you had a food order, go take it. That's fine. You know, they say it's immediate, but but no failure me. Yeah, within the half hour. I mean, I'm sure they can take you off it, but I haven't have a problem. So I want to quick talk about Patreon. And a couple quick articles, we'd love for you to support us on Patreon. Go to patreon.com Search gig econ podcasts or just search the gig economy podcast, extra podcast a month, usually an interview with an up and coming business. And then on your third month, you do get exclusive piece of merch from us. And then also now at the $10 tier you are getting a ad free version of the show because we have added some shows, or some ads to the show that are just other podcasts helps us make a little extra money, because currently we don't have a super sponsor, and we are looking for that as well. But in the meantime, if you love the show you love the free show. You want to support us on Patreon. Go to patreon.com and search the gig economy podcast.

Absolutely. And please support us. Let's see. Next one is the windy article.

Yeah, I love this.

So I do do I do too. I did think it was interesting to what they were talking about. So in a little town called New Albany, Ohio, population of 11,000 people, they are testing this new concept when the but it is cool. Basically, the focus is a lot more gig based. Yeah. Right. So I mean, they're talking about a couple of gigs, specific things specifically. Gig workers will get their own pickup window. Yeah, gig workers will get their own spot in the parking lot. I know I don't have to get out your car anymore. I had to get inside, get pick it up anything like that is all that they are completely changing the layout of the kitchen to make it much more efficient. They're saying that it's going to be the entire length of the restaurant. So to be more efficient for how they work, but but the idea is that it's going to be much more focused on not so much eating in the restaurant, but just as much taken out. Yeah. Okay. And then the other thing too, that I read that was interesting is they just recently changed the recipe of their of their fries to make them more friendly for delivery.

Oh, really? I know they changed it recently. So

basically, the the article is saying that it's so there'll be the better chance of still being crispy when it gets to live God

if some. It's cool how that works. His fries are the worst on delivery.

I know. Right? But it's I think it's cool, because we always talk about how he's changing the workforce. But now he's changing the model as well. Yeah, so the gig is really it's really changing everything

I know we talked about a lot of those restaurants said it's cheaper for them to shut the lobby might then run a smaller crew and they save more money and just do drive thru.

So that's another thing I was thinking about. As I read the article, I wonder how much the redesign of the kitchen means they need less needs less staff.

Yeah, I mean, more egg was agronomic or not now that's more for health reasons. But

another thing that I've seen lately is they a lot. The whole the whole concept of adding robots and kitchens is an up and coming as being used more and more so I'm thinking that they are probably doing something like that because this is what we'll be dealing with right now in Grand Rapids and I'm sure everywhere is nobody have enough people to staff Yeah,

yeah, it's that's funny you bring up about the robots everyone wants more money, but be careful what you wish for because if you get too greedy they'd be like, You know what, we can get this robot? No Yeah, it's a five year investment after five years we'll we'll be breaking even you know what, I'm not paying you $20 an hour to work out when he's I'm gonna buy this robot. So there there will come a tipping point.

And he won't complain. He won't complain doesn't get sick. No, he doesn't need a date. You know, they often doesn't bitch no. He just take them fries out of the out of the gate and also, you know, he doesn't get hurt. He doesn't have you know,

well my guess is those effing robots are gonna break down every 40

seconds you know, there's no you Whether workman's comp claims are not eating the food, and

you don't have to offer the robot a 50% discount on their meal. I like Wendy's is doing this I like when fast food places innovate, you know McDonald's really? Yeah, they've they've, they've innovated some of their food, but it's still kind of the same old shit. There's really nothing great about McDonald's

your favorite restaurant chain like Wendy's. I mean, my number

10 saga ranch chicken sandwich spicy chicken, it's got weight is by far my favorite. I actually liked the old fries better. When they went to the bigger wedges that we're see sold or whatever, I want to eat the shit out of those right now. No sucks. All right, moving on quick at this DoorDash about some tipping. It's about 142 on the time, and we'll talk about it. I'm calling to tell the non tippers to come pick up their orders.

Easy answer, no refund to me, because tipping is not for the delivery service.

Let's talk about pre tipping on DoorDash orders and why you're having such a bad time, man. See, I'm a pretty experienced DoorDash driver. I've got 1600 lifetime deliveries. But this is the number I want to point to my acceptance rate. This means out of every 10 orders that are offered to me or 100, I suppose I accept 24 of them. The base pay per delivery for us is about two to $4 in my market. So if there's no tip on it, then you're not making any money if you want to say that delivering food isn't the hardest job on Earth. And yeah, I'd agree with you. But it's also pretty easy to be good at and I'm good at what I do. But if you really want to talk about where the skill comes in with DoorDash, it's knowing what orders to accept or not. And that's why my acceptance rate is so low, I will never accept an order like yours because in 1600 deliveries I've never seen anybody that thinks this way, added tip after the fact no matter how good you do. So I tell you all this, because if you're having a bad time, and you're not pre tipping the reason or having a bad time, it's the people accepting orders are people who don't know how to deliver food or navigate the DoorDash platform. No wonder everyone that's delivering your food seems to be bad at what they're doing. It's probably because they're new to it. The platform itself can make you've made a lot of mistakes, because it's really confusing at first, and let's talk about your food being called because other people's orders are getting delivered ahead of yours. When no one's accepting your order, DoorDash will start putting them into doubles and triples, and then it'll skies that with an order that's tipped really well. Now personally, I'll go into that order and look and if I see it in tip, I'll drop your order, make it a single order and just take the really juicy one. Some people don't know how to do that. But who do you think is order gets prioritized in that? It's probably the person that tipped right. Yeah. Tip your drivers. Or here's a crazy thought. Have some personal responsibility and pick up your own damn food. It's so dang easy. Oh, I love Well, yeah, he

did. Exactly, in fact is 24% I feel like it's too high for him. It needs to even be lower. But ya know, he makes such a good point. And you know, I do the same thing. You can prioritize those those. If you do pick up a group order, you the best tipper can get the food first. They don't make you go right where you want. So yeah, y'all got a pre tip. I mean, you guys know this as drivers. But I just thought that was a really good short explanation in a minute. 42. If you're don't know, the platform, you're like, it's good for drivers. And it's good for people that are ordering food. So I thought that was interesting.

No, absolutely. It definitely yes.

Let's skip the handcuffs, on animals. Let's do this. One more that DoorDash for your is testing delivery. And then we'll wrap it.

Okay. Sounds good. So this is pretty interesting new feature. We all have used the Facebook marketplace. Now. It's called the meta five MicroBlaze. Right. I was supposedly is supposed to be made on anyways, who knows? But yeah, it's the Facebook marketplace. And so in some markets, they are now testing that you can do delivery using DoorDash. And so the idea is that, obviously that if you have a small item, you can now say you for a long time, you could actually have them charge shipping on your behalf. Yeah, label on all that stuff. And now you can choose DoorDash is a delivery agent. And he somebody will come to your door, pick up the item. And then he'll drop them off at the other side of town for you or whatever. And then you know, he gets paid, you could pay whatever. Yeah, and all the money goes through Facebook. They say that it's only for obviously for items that can fit in your trunk. And we'll be interested to see how well that does. I mean, that's I think it's a it's a great new way I guess of building the Facebook marketplace. Yeah. And I think a lot of people will will, will like the idea of not actually have to be face to face with the person you're buying something off, right? Because I always my big the thing I hate the most is people come to my door, right? We've already arranged on the price, right? Yeah, they come to my door and they goes, would you take 40? No. Well, I'd

like at that point. It's like,

I mean, I will only do that like if they find something on it. Well, yeah, and I'm like You know what? You're right. That's fair. I'll knock it down to 40 What

did you Oh, I only have 40. Why? Why did you only make? Because that we accepted on 42? Right? That's the thing. It's like $2 to do it on, right?

So like, well, you should set a price at 42. Anyways, it was a joke,

right? But he's like, it's such a little amount that they, you know, what we agreed on whatever it was, and we only brought 50 Why did you only bring 50 When it's 54? Right? Whatever. It just bothers me.

I like that they're adding that service because I'll have people recently I had a flurry of stuff I sold and I had a couple of things people like well, you deliver it. And I'm like, I can't remember what it was. I basically double it was like I was selling it for 25 I'm like I'll deliver it for 50 buy and sell it to you for 25 So because I mean guess it's 375 a gallon and she did shoot and go with it but I can't remember what it was but this might be a good for those people that don't have cars because like it's not you know, not everyone has a car and like they want to buy the I love Facebook marketplace. Like literally I'm looking at American seating movie theater seats. This guy is going to if you pick him up tomorrow, today or tomorrow, he'll you have it for free. And it's a four seat set. And I'm like I get on this site and when you put him I don't know but it looks cool as hell like their movie theater seats therefore together like I mean, I don't have a place to put them but that would be cool. Like if you had an outdoor space and you

could do like Gary Vee You can sell them that's true. You could

sell them for free well what's funny he saw them he listed this these for $300.06 weeks ago and now they're free. So I don't think anyone wanted them but anyway, total sidenote, but true,

but Facebook Facebook marketplace is awesome. We just bought a instant instinct cooker for like half price or what it was the new is like mine it's awesome.

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You can go to Episode one when I was in a different room by myself on like a laptop mic. By the way Larry, you're welcome to come up a couple days early if you want to be on the show that Wednesday night live in person just throwing it out there

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Guys Welcome to the gig economy podcast episode 118 with me Jason and yes for the day

Wow hey guys how are you guys doing tonight?

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Yeah, I think I owe somebody some merch soon. Maybe next month soon. Anyways, go to the gig economy. show.com for everything gig economy, podcast related, you can download the podcast, you can watch old videos you can do whatever, whatever you want to do on that site. You should you should have it there. And then our picnic again is September 17 2022. From two to 4pm in Grand Rapids, Michigan. If you are not from the area, we encourage you to come if you are from the area, we encourage you to come bring a friend and we're gonna have some fun. Yeah, lots of it. Lots of it. Lots of fun. I think it's been confirmed there are going to be

smoked meat smoke me I

need to find like I don't I don't have a good button. All I have is bad ones. smoked meats. That's that's as good as I can get it.

Yeah, I'm gonna get my I gotta get my smoker out of the out of the the I have a I have a shot now. Do you know that's incredible. We moved into the house. And I saw that like, on the table that like there was a pair of keys and it says shin. I have a shit. I didn't even know it's incredible. You bought the house. You didn't even know you had a shot. I did not know how to share.

Real quick. Hi, Tom. Hi, Larry. And Hi, Steve from writer rodeo. Dave. Larry, just want to let you know thinking about you just to let everyone know. Yep. Mr. Larry got COVID from our podcasting conference we snuggled all week, and I didn't get it this time. He got it. And that guy got it bad.

So what I want to know, though, is since you got it last time, and he got to this time. Is positioning a factor? Were you in front of him behind?

That is a very good,

I don't know.

Yeah, that's really good. I mean, so that means I don't know. I don't know. No, no, I was on the bottom the whole time. Larry, Larry says I need to get it off before I get it over for the picnic, which is September 17. Larry's coming from Bowling Green. What's your excuse?

I don't know if I'm gonna be there. I'm

talking to people that are listening. So I want to mention our Patreon members. Of course, as always, Keith from Indiana Larry from Bowling Green Sampson from Grand Rapids. Steve from Colorado, Chris from Grand Rapids. James from Fort Collins bud from North Carolina. Tom Kelly from Houston and Mr. Omar from Detroit. Yep, definitely love for you to join that if, if

you just kind of say there's no limit there, we have room for many more Patreon. Yeah, and

you don't even you don't even have you can do more than $10 to Yeah, I mean, you can do $100 If you want. I mean, I'm not going to turn it down. Yeah, I turned down 100 No, I will.

So what I want to point out though, too, and this is just coming in it's kind of my mind, but if you happen to see the me Jason out in the wild, please honk at us. Alright, say hello or something like that. It's fun. You know, I'm you know, with me being out more and with with Jason Condon gonna come on soon, even though he keeps saying he's not gonna do passengers. I'm not just gonna do deliveries. But how are we going to be doing like, by night, Saturday night.

I'm too old for that shit. I want to be in bed at nine o'clock. But

it's so much fun. And I must admit to it. So I heard through the grapevine that that grant app is no longer have a they no longer have a bar scene. I don't agree with that. I was out last Saturday to 230 I was Oh, you

were out that late. I didn't want I didn't Yeah, I didn't fall off in the I actually

did a full 12 hour drive.

That's crazy. But I

you know, made good money. And there was lots of things going on. And literally every night all night long. It was it was right after right. That's right. Yeah. And I didn't have exon. Yeah, that's huge. So I mean, so I think that, you know, maybe it's coming back or it was the fact I mean, obviously a big deal is that other college students are back. We know that. Oh, yeah, that is actually the I got I got paid to drive to Allendale and drive back for and then drive better didn't really I got paid for three roads. Oh my god. So that was pretty cool. But no. And two of them was a competent one was Excel. So again, it only works.

Yeah for sure. Real quick before we jump in the news, of course the telegram group that we were talking about, you can join that and talk about with other rideshare drivers around the country. And then of course, Steve from rideshare. Rodeo was just on his show on Monday night. That guy puts out a ton of content and it's great content, go to Uber Lyft drivers.com and search the rideshare rodeo or you can just search rideshare rodeo as well, you know prefers you to go to the website, of course. So check that out. He's one of my good friends and we'll be doing the radio show. I need to add that to the rundown. Starting on September 9, I think yes, her and I are both going to be on that episode. And then we're going to alternate from there. But that'll be fun with Steve and Tom forum. Tom Kelly from Houston.

Absolutely. We can't wait to get back on it. Who called we kind of took the summer off. And now we we need to get back on there. Yeah,

yeah. After my busy week tonight. This week, I was like, Why did I agree to add a another show again, but it'll be fine. Everything will settle out fast. Right? Summer goes by so fast.

I cannot believe in so fast. So we have to like take everything down and pack away the pool.

Right? Why don't you talk about you want to talk a little bit more about your driving and

I can absolutely. So I set out to actually our first just driving Friday night, just kind of I was just going to my plan all along has been just drive one night. It'd be weekend. It wasn't like I'm back on the road. And really just my goal has been I want to make 100 bucks and then back. That's been the goal. Yeah, that's kind of you know, just getting back in the swing of things. And so I went out Friday night. I did 16. White. And it was it was one of those things just right after right after right after ride. Yeah, I was home in bed at 10. At 1230.

Still too late.

Yes. Still too late. But I had made almost $200 Right. And and it was 16. Right. So. So I wake up in the morning, and here is that my quest came in, right? It's like, if you do 50 rides, you get baba, baba, bah bah, bah, bah, bah, I started doing Miami. The amount was this question. I could do 50 rights when it isn't 140? Yeah, well, I could do and then there was an additional quest starting after that, which I didn't do. But then there was I could do 60 Right. And then I would have been I think it was 160. And I, you know, it wasn't that big of a deal. So I just did the 50 rights. Yeah. Which I you know, you got they make you accepted. So I just accepted the thing. And I wasn't going to do it because it is what it is. Yeah. But then it came up Saturday morning. I was like, Well, I really only need to do

another 34 Right. Oh, so that 16 applied

to because that was Friday morning. Friday morning, right? So it will go to do 3034 Right. It's no wonder you know how long it will take to do that. And so I actually went now at 2pm Saturday thinking okay, let me just see how long it's gonna take and I'll just keep going until I either you know, have closing off or be done. Yeah. And lo and behold, I drove 12 hours straight. I took one break and I did I did. I did 32 rides so I needed two more rides right he did

32 rides in that 12 hour yep, yep. Oh my gosh, were you focused on trying to stay downtown?

Oh absolutely. I stayed away from the metro cruise because no let's not get caught up in the metric cruise right and then actually had there was an additional after seven o'clock they add an additional $3 per ride all the way from three from 770 7pm to 3am. So there was an additional fee per ride so at that point once you hit seven o'clock I actually turned on the Xs because while I might as well just yeah oh yeah. Especially with the extra three bucks I know and so that was a huge deal and so all of a sudden they just mean hit seven o'clock and I got tons arrived so it was just bang them out. And so yeah, come I think it was quarter to two i i actually got my second ride out to Allendale I think okay, I'm tired to go home. And at that point, I just only needed two more rights. Okay. And the cool thing is, and this is something that so grant Abbott's you can you can learn this, I learned is you know, Saturday, obviously, it says on the quest that the ride tests are starting when Abbott's but apparently they mean grant habits and suburbs because they no longer counted. Why?

Yep, I had don't usually drive or draw a box around it yet, but that's

not for the big quest. That's, that's just with a little quiz. Okay. Joe, and just says they have to be in Grand Rapids. Okay, but so I chose I actually I ended up when I took when I dropped my last person off in Allendale. I quickly got To follow up, right, because you always do that now. Yeah, these little ones is the people who just need like to go down the street or whatever. And they counted towards the well. So that was two because I got up Sunday morning took two rides quickly, and I was done.

I can't believe you only had two more rides. You couldn't pull it off. Ah,

no, but it was awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. So now one story I want to share that I shared with you a little bit earlier, because it was a kind of a fun thing. And one of the things I've missed a lot was just the interaction with the people and it's obviously 34 rides, tons of people. But this one was fun, because I had I was downtown. I think it's, it's either I on Yahoo, I forget Nyonya anyways, it's a one way street. And it hit it hits into Fulton it was probably 11 3011 o'clock, something like that. It's, you know, it's like, and here is a car coming right smack in front of me. I mean, going towards me. Opposite direction on one Rideau and I just stood on my Hawaiian, and I had a bachelor party in the back of my car, and they all just started cheering like crazy for me. Whoa, yeah. And they just went crazy. It was so much. That is

so fun. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I know. I know. You love that energy. And a lot of people do. I

just it is that energy in the car. It's just it's it's just invigorating. I like it. That's that. Yeah. That's the reason I drive. Yeah,

very cool. gig economy in the news. First off, I want to show this awesome picture. I know we're excited for this guy to come to the mainstream TV. Tony, how do you pronounce his last name? I don't know, Tony, you. I mean is the ex silent. I don't know. DoorDash is a big day for us at DoorDash. We are celebrating that. Recently, our CEO and co founder Tony Lilla was selected to be a guest shark on next season of Shark Tank. We're excited to see what happens when Shark Tank entrepreneurs pitch in front of Tony and series regulars. So no one cares. Tony Sue, Tony Sue.

That's what Muhammad is saying. Thank you.

So the funny thing is, okay, so I got a hold on best. So the comments

doo doo doo doo. What are you doing? I was doing waiting. I'm gonna throw

this mouse. First comment, I see your acceptance rate is below 70%. So I'm out. You know, even though that show like blah, blah, blah, I'm out. I'm out the next one. You're not willing to lose money or sacrifice your car so I can profit. I'm out. I'm out. So anyways, I thought those two comments were good, but I don't know. I mean, it's weird to have him on there. And I wonder if he's actually going to be investing his own money? Because I know the regular that's what

they're doing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, I watched an interview with I forget his name, of course, I always do. He's the he's the tech guy. One of them is he specializes in new kinds of tech startups and that kind of stuff. And he says is really hasn't been very profitable for him at a shark tank. Yeah, no, yeah. You you hit that one once in a while. But nine out of 10 of them they lose money on? Oh, wow.

So one of them that I actually buy their product. Its mission belt. Basically, it's a belt that double and there's so many more out of them. Now, I don't know if mission was but they were a shark tanker. And I think Mr. Wonderful. Actually see him in the ads. I think they're doing great. I don't know. I don't know how profitable is for him. But

well, he's the he's the one he will he will do everything to do a licensing deal.

Yeah, yeah. And he's the he's the stingy one, for sure. I wonder if they get paid a base though. Like just an appearance fee plus, or you don't think they're doing it for free?

Well, I don't know. I have no idea. But you know, it's not really free. It's the it's been presented the opportunities to invest. Right, I saw somebody else it wasn't that at all about this show here. But you know, the people who are on that side of being that wealthy Yeah, they need opportunities to invest. Oh, really? Yeah. Because what else are they gonna do with their money that's how they grow their fortune right to invest more, you know, finding more and they okay with losing a nine, you know, nine out of 10 as long as they tend to make Smeg up you know, Bukola good

point. I want to have that much money that I can lose nine out of 10 and it's still okay, but yeah, 10th one makes absolute absolute that's crazy. It's

just ridiculous. But yeah, they need that they need to do that. So like for instance, if you find opportunities to invest in a I don't know, housing project or whatever. Don't be scared to go out and pitch it to some kind of mega rich guy because yeah, needs that pet

and they do like doing it too, because that's what gets them up in the morning is growing a business and be like, Man, this was a hit. So I really love that show I, sometimes the people that the valuations they put on their company to like, oh, I don't really know math very well, but when they put the percentage that they they're offering and they're like, I'm like, wait, they're saying that thing's worth like $10 million? I'm like, so wait.

So the company you don't even have a concept on yet?

No, they have a concept, right? Yeah. The funny part is when they're like, how are your sales? Well, we haven't sold any yet. Oh, hey, lots, this is gonna have to be an incredible pitch

and you think you're $12 million worth?

Yeah, I'd like $12 million. I'll give you 3%. Okay. You know, they put those on on purpose just for the show. But

Oh, of course, yeah, of course. And they choose the ones that are interesting like that, because they also know that there is there's marketing value. And of course, of course,

so you're up next.

I'm up next. I don't know. What about next time? See, I'm completely no, yeah. You can put it up there.

It's been up for about five seconds.

I can't look at both thing at the same time. So will you please open your garage door? We have a

premise what it is first. Remember audio listeners? They need to know it as you can't just stop rambling. It's

a photo Yes. To animals. Having sexy time. It's two frogs. And apparently Jason thought it was like super, super funny. I don't know. So, but this guy says. And he's obviously somebody texting somebody else. He goes, Do you want to open your garage? We have two frogs having sexy time.

No, there. He's delivering an order.

I know. It's an old Yes, it's a DoorDash.

So basically, I just thought it was hilarious. There's like 100 comments on like, what are the chances that there's two frogs banging on the front door? Banging on the front door? Yeah, so I thought that was funny.

Sorry, I'll promise to keep chugging along now.

Yeah, follow along. I sprung it on you, but you should always have your your nevermind. I'm just going to shut up. Right here. Lisa, thanks for joining. I appreciate you coming along. Alright, so this is like kind of just this is. This is so stupid. I don't know why I brought it up. But I think it's funny. So in Grand Rapids is an article here. Gotta mute this site. Because spammy. News. 13 is super spammy. Lime hosts first ride Academy in Grand Rapids and gave out free helmets. The event was an opportunity for members of the company to teach people how to ride the scooters, both safely and responsibly. Who even came to that for one like?

Well, they all should have. Because I mean, I think last weekend, I saw two people down,

like you saw him go down or they were just laying in front of the scooter while they're laying

there. And then there's ambulances and police and stuff. Yeah, I know. And he's one of them. were hit by a car. It's like, come on.

I kind of feel like, I mean, I guess this is good marketing for them. But I guess a year ago, a woman died in Grand Rapids from one of those scooters. She was drunk and She smacked her head. But I just thought it was funny that like, lime is only doing that to slip. Am I gonna get to marketing? Yes. Yeah.

I'm seeing more bikes now than just the scooters. Yeah, I do. See, I think they have two or three different bike models.

Yeah, they've upgraded the lime scooter models to

in, I think in tune with they've killed Dr. The company and taking the other company away. Yeah, lime, I think is moving moving more like vehicles, if you will, into the market.

I was looking at the Reddit post about the lime scooters. And the spin scooters that I have are all done. People were having the same problem with them. They as as riders the GPS issue was was the same for spin. Not picking them up. But because they were done by a W two. But I thought that was funny.

Yeah. That was but and again, you know, Jason is talking about when he tried very briefly to be a juicer and his biggest problem was he couldn't figure out how to you know, they wouldn't accept the drop off. So you he'd had the lime scooter back home, he charged it. Yeah. And he wouldn't accept the drop off, which is obviously a big huge fail.

What's weird to me is, it was well, maybe because there's a geofence because picking them up wasn't a problem. It didn't matter where it was like you that GPS was right on the money, but they do the geofence thing and when you're downtown with those big tall buildings, that's the biggest issue. Although, granted there was one by the river right over by right over the bridge by the Van Andel Devos Place right? And there's no big build. I mean, there's big buildings but not right next to it and I still couldn't get it to work.

So do you think maybe it was us era?

You using that joke I use on you earlier. How dare you? Let's talk about Spark delivery which is

interesting that you asked me to talk about Spark delivery when I'm not a spark driver, but that's okay. I could talk about And so basically, we actually had we have somewhat of a relationship with with DDI. Obviously, he's been on our show a couple of times. Yeah. And Jason obviously has been driving for Spark for how long? Ah, at least a year.

Yeah, I've done I only do it one year. No, I've done it, too. I did it one year. And then I remember could they deactivate him in the summer? And then well, because you have to every 14 weeks you have to take an order. But yeah,

so we always talked about having many buckets. So this was just Jason adding another bucket to it. And I'm sure he's gonna activate it again, you know, when when he gets back on writing, but anyways, the good big news is that Walmart is buying spark delivery network, they're buying DVI, the team so Walmart is acquiring delivery drivers Inc, which is DDI, the team behind is this bike driver platform. And basically, they're doing that to bring it all in house. They they kind of talked to a bunch of different people and, and a lot of the drivers was kind of, I guess there was some confusion about who are the diving for walking or whatever it was. But anyway, so Walmart went out and said, We want to kill that you want to get bringing all in house be one company. All the drivers from DDI is gonna be offered to be to come work for Walmart, obviously.

Well, you don't work for Walmart. Well, you will be they you Oh, they will be working with Walmart. It's going to be the owner, I guess. Yeah, I guess you're right. So anyways,

that Walmart is saying here that we are always looking for you for ways to build a better experience. And we heard from drivers that working through two companies for support was not ideal. Bringing driver support in house will provide a simplified experience and we look forward to driver feedback. And so basically, that was this was a couple of weeks ago now that they all kind of been into told told people about that. The cool thing is that obviously DDI was founded in 1996, by Aaron Hagerman. And he did that without raising any venture capital, which is pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah. Critical. Here's my weird question. So Walmart's buying them so they weren't just Walmart was their biggest customer. Yeah, but they also provided like for small businesses, like we talked about on the interview, they provided, you know, tax help, and like human resource help, and that kind of stuff. So that's just gonna get wiped away, right? Because like

Walmart says, Unless Walmart is getting ready to enter that market, as well, maybe, and kind of do more, because here's the thing. We talked about this for a long time. gig is interrupting the workforce. It is right. Yeah. And so I'm assuming that the people working for Walmart is changing their company as well.

Yeah, I my guess is they don't they just wanted the date. They you know, they wanted to do everything in house. Who knows? What's interesting is Walmart bought you remember Joy Ron? They bought volt sis systems, which? Oh, no, I guess I'm sorry. They bought volt systems, a peer to peer delivery app last mile and joy run in 2020, and so on. But did they crush joy? Ron, that was a weird one. Remember that one? I did. You know, Jamie and I were both at that startup meeting for that. And I

was I was there. Were you there to add pizza.

And remember that if you were there, too, but that was kind of a flop wasn't it? It kind of was yes. I don't even know if they're still in business anymore. Basically, the gist of joy run was you could take people would meet you like you could take multiple orders. I think about going to a college campus. And then you're like right in the middle of a parking lot. And everyone comes down to you to pick it up. So it's more like multiple orders at a restaurant you

drive two or three restaurants pick up all the food you drive one place, drop it all off. Yeah,

but but it didn't work. I don't think it worked for here, because I think we're too spread out

when it was too far to the college. Well, yeah,

and there wasn't a ton of restaurants. I mean, there's more out there now but yeah, I think they're still around but maybe not. I don't

know if they're in Grand Rapids sell but yeah, PeeWee if you if you guys know about you can let us know.

Well, we don't care. You don't care? You don't but I'm happy for Aaron. I mean, that's pretty cool that he sold his business I mean, let's face it all these small businesses in the gig economy. They're gonna take a buyout and I would too I don't blame them like if Ubers like hey, we want to buy you as long as the price is right well, of course you know what I mean? How would you not say no like it's your family like your family all of a sudden is just now taken care of. And so what would be your price? Oh, man like Dubai. What the podcasts out by you.

Oh, I mean to like, I mean, whatever it was, I was.

Oh, I mean, yeah. Take take away not knowing the valuation of my company. What would be my price? $5 million dollars. I'd sell out for $5 million.

You remember the good the story back in the days about that this coupon company? He did this. He didn't just coupon but the big thing back probably five years ago Savings Angel No no no no this was the same time about that though. The whole thing about you can get on you could get a pizza coupon all these kinds of different coupons I forget the name of the company anyways Google when knocking on their door and offer them like $6 billion and he turned it down because he thought it was worth more

oh I remember you talking about I don't think it was a coupon company

why it was kind of like there was one of those where you can get your code on their website you could you could you would buy you would buy the product from him and you could take the code to the to the restaurant whatever it was either way either way but yeah the thing is he should have he should have also taken it because now it's like worth nothing right? No Groupon yeah Groupon Exactly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right Google offer them like $6 billion. And he said he said no, because he thought it was worth more.

That's incredible. I might go less than six or 6 billion Yeah, I might go less than 5 million.

I mean, it was so it depends. Well I look at like you want to invest

a couple mil so you can live off the interest and you know what I mean? So I think 5 million after taxes would be a fair amount

but he should have realized was that it's just a fad and it's gonna go away. Yeah, next year we'll come sell it now while it's on i i still

use Groupon for only for like if if I don't go to Irvine's and I just need a quick oil change. I don't need any repairs. I go to Groupon. That's the only time I ever go there though.

He's too difficult for me. I don't want to do it.

It's not that difficult. Yes. For No, it's not.

I just don't want to deal with

a painful price. I do. Okay, well, when when when synthetic oil changes or $95 at Valve? Or 60?

I get to pin I go to Pennzoil. Yeah, and I get synthetic for 65. So

Oh, well. That's not too bad then. No, no. All right, moving forward. Oh, gosh, this is hilarious. I mean, it looks legit. Again, I'm all you guys are always so skeptical me but there's instructions. Always DoorDash like DoorDash like rules the world for this shit. But instructions now. It has emojis in there too. By the way. Leave at my door. Please don't knock. I'm stoned and have crazy dogs. The dogs will try to eat you through the window. I will scream because I'm high and don't know what's going on. Even though I do I just ordered food. It will scare the shit out of you and maybe scare shit out of me. And maybe you too. I apologize for my poorly behaved animals. 100% my fault. I know if you could just set the food on the white bench by my window. That would be amazing. I will creep out when I know. I won't bump into a neighbor and have to explain my red eyeballs or obscene amount of junk food. Seriously. Thank you for running my food to me. Thanks. So I think it's awesome. Two things one, he didn't write this one he was high because this is well written so he clearly has the citizen instructions all the time. But right I thought I thought that was incredible. I love reading those. It's super funny

when it's just when they make a little bit more out of it. That's you know, that's worth it.

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Oh, Larry. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You said we should have ordered we should have put this in the notes when we got our crumble cookies. So So what about the combo cookie? Well, we ended up going to get in Texas barbecue and it's a long story but I ended up going to Texas barbecue and then we ended up ordering crumble cookies and I was so frickin full and we just like sat on the couch and watch a comedy special in chromo cookies. I actually had Uber Eats deliver two monsters to me too. So after tip, it was $10 for two monsters. So it is like they're normally like $2.50 apiece. Oh my gosh. And the crumble cookies for? I think it was was it for six? No, it was for four. And they're good. Was like $23 with tip.

What the hell are you guys doing?

Everyone bitches about no one tips on those platforms.

Ignore You have to tip I'm good with that. But

dude, we didn't have a car $23 for cookies. It was so good. Better be good. It was good. They were good. God, it was so much fun. I felt like I was in a diabetic coma after that.

That's so horrible. It was so good.

Yeah, you know, real quick before we jump ahead, it was incredibly hard to get Ubers and lifts in Dallas.

I mean, he kept talking about how it was just a shitshow

it was it was so hard like the first couple nights at the airport. I had waited 20 minutes finally ordered an Uber Black for 35 bucks, which is still pretty cheap for an Uber Black, but it was it was really hard to find rides and sometimes like if you wanted to go the cheapest if you didn't start early enough, they weren't going to come and so yeah, it was super frustrating but

so they didn't want to come.

Well, I mean, I just think they didn't have any drivers like we talked about out missing drivers, they were missing drivers. They're like, oh, hang out. Well, we find a driver when we find a driver and we had a couple sketch ones. They only had like 150 rides, but we did ride with somebody had 15,000 rides.

Nice. Yeah. Did you ever bring, you know, bring up out of the show and chip? A little bit?

I'm not unfortunately, that was a bad thing to say a lot of them didn't speak English was an English wasn't their first language. I didn't really want to explain it. But we brought it up a couple of times, you know. And so yeah, I don't know if anyone listened. I wrote I want to shut it down as grabbed each of their phones and said Here do you listen to a couple of them said they didn't even listen to podcasts. I'm like, crazy

while we're on podcasts before you know you and I started doing this.

But that was back in 2017. It was relatively new. Now. Podcasting is like

everybody's doing it. Yeah. So So for people who don't know and uninvited Larry, from Bowling Green, and Jason went to the big podcasting convention in, in in Houston, Texas. Nope. Not using what was Ellis, Dallas, Texas. I'm sorry. Yeah. So I knew that too. And I think they learned a ton of good stuff that we're gonna be using at this show. Right, Jason? Aha.

I'm sure you everything I learned there. I'll implement and you'll never even notice the difference. Yeah, Larry says the one guy didn't even know what a podcast was. I'm like, What do you live in under a rock? Sometimes they do man man the last ride to the airport, she we almost died. She got honked at twice on a 15 minute ride. So that tells you she's gotten in and out of traffic. Like ever see people that come in and out of traffic just to get ahead of one car. I'm like, I hate to stay in the lane. It'll be fine. It wasn't even that busy of traffic. So yeah, we're also harmed by the appearance of Ben Shapiro. I don't know if you read that article. But I'm not going to talk about it on this show. Because it's too long of a story. But look it up look up Podcast Movement on Twitter, you'll find it and it's pretty hilarious. Guys sponsor upside, we want you to use it. The link is in the description. I everyone uses gas and gas has come down a little bit, but I still didn't see 376 today. So upside is basically gets you that sent off your gasoline. And if you sign up, if you're a new user, of course, this is only for new user, if you sign up, you get 25 cents off your per gallon per gallon on your first fill up. But if you use the promo code gig economy 25, you get another 25 cents off. So your first fill up. So go there when you're on e and fumes, you get 50 cents off a gallon. So check it out. It's easy. I mean, it's easy. You

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Yeah, the big the big companies, well, I get those are big companies, but like Shell and Speedway are on. And you

know, I've noticed that too, that it's almost like Citko kind of runs out. Because at the beginning of the month they on and then like over in the middle of the month and

Well, I think it varies on what the current pressure of gases is that makes it I mean, there's some there's times I've gotten it for 18 cents off a gallon. And there's times I got it for three. But what's cool about is like a lot of those marathons, if you just put your if you sign up for the rewards program, you can get five cents off no matter what every time sure you're coding. And then you get money off with addition to the upside. Yeah, yeah. And then you can cash out for gift cards, or you can cash it right out to your bank. Currently, I know $30 in there,

you have 17 on mine, but the one I was gonna say I think it's so super easy. You claim the offer? Yep, you go in you pay your kid you guys. And then you just have to upload a picture of your of your receipt. And literally within minutes, I will have an accepted one. And then you just gotta wait three days for them to give you the money. Yeah. So you know, Mohamed, there

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if you have you, if you had your first tank, it's not gonna work, you know, it's not gonna work out. But you can still click on the link that gives us a little bit of

Yeah, click on the link. But yeah, and you can also use it inside a lot of the stores too. Yep. So I mean, check it out. You might as well save money if you can. And some of them you don't even have to take a picture of the receipt, you just check in I note and you use the card that you have on file and they can verify it, which is even better. You don't take a picture. Yep.

And I also noticed that there are several restaurants they have deals on Yeah, so if you're, again, just we all it's a few. It doesn't seem like a lot of money, but it runs up and when it's just a few steps. It's not that big of

a deal, right. All right, moving on. iPad asshole,

you know I saw this Tech Talk. And it was just very interesting. I didn't actually know the story but oh my gosh, what an asshole. Yeah,

so either video

says when you return the iPad to the guy who lied to lift and said you were working drunk.

anyone told you the biggest fucking piece of shit newsmag on the planet count a beat your fucking nasty piece of shit. You're a motherfucker. You have a fucking leg much shit again. I'll fucking beat your fucking ass.

So I don't understand it. Because obviously he's a he's a dick, right? Yeah, bad guy. But he ends by saying if you ever leave my ship again? No. Drivers.

Like, didn't you leave?

I mean, yes. Do I do I do a scan? And you probably do you probably look back. It sounds like you search through your whole car. Oh, and if you don't see anything you drive off. So he's lucky I had a I had a thrown that thing. And then clearly the driver reported him drunk. So he probably got deactivated for three days.

I know. Right? So I would I would pitch it out the window, one of the one of the arrow in the comment. It says yeah, I want to pitch that thing out the window and then left.

Oh my gosh, yeah. You notice he didn't start talking shit until he got the iPad in his name, or in his name in his hand? Yep. Because if he if I would hold it, and he started talking, I would be like, Excuse me? Do you want to, you know, rephrase that.

Open your other window and let's throw it out in front of you. We'll in thought back and

I'm curious. I always say I'm gonna reach out these drivers. I never do. But I'm curious if there was any interaction texting, like the guy was a dick.

And before the why? There's just never a reason to be that way. I don't understand it. It just

Yeah, clearly the guy just thought that he took off on him and was trying to steal his iPad. Like,

don't leave your iPad in the car. Yeah. I think it just brings up a point and say why? There's just never a reason to be rude like that.

I mean, sometimes there is.

I disagree. Yeah, I disagree. Interesting.

I mean, I get like that, right. I get like that too. I lose my shit. And I do. But there's just rarely a reason to it. Well,

yeah, sometimes. Yeah, that's true. There's usually never any any reason behind it. It just happens sometimes.

I mean, Larry, right. I don't think I've ever known Larry to raise his voice never know. He doesn't lose his shit. He's just there. He's awesome all the time.

wouldn't say that. You didn't spend a week with him. You didn't spend a week with him. He used the F word a lot. No. So moving forward, just a real quick there was an Uber driver killed in Dallas that morning that we were flying in. So those floods were super, super bad. And she was on her way home, she had dropped the last person off. Fortunately, she called her husband and then the water was up to her ankles and her knees and it felt like someone was pushing the car. The line went dead. She actually like fell over the overpass and then into a ravine below so it just kind of sad there is a GoFundMe that I have

yet there's a link to it. Yeah, I will. I will see

if we if we not post it and then we'll definitely post it and when we when we post the show.

Yeah, I mean if you feel more inclined. I posted it in the chat you can click on it but but yeah, it's pretty sad. So just be careful out there guys. It's not just passengers that are danger. You know, you gotta be you gotta be you gotta have your head on the swivel all the time

all the time. I remember when you were like talking about as you were flying in those delays and stuff and and the weather was just crazy. I didn't realize somebody actually the pads you know, passed away.

Yeah, I'm surprised that was the only one there may have been more but I couldn't see any more but yeah, they got like 14 inches in like four hours or something. And that was a one in 1000 year flood. They had not had I talked to some locals there. They had not had rain for 70 days. And then that happened. Yeah, like the weird part of it is they must have an incredible drainage system because when we landed there were no puddles. Wow, I know like if if that happened in Grand Rapids I don't know if it's because they have gravel there and sand and everything just goes down real quick but not even on the in the airport or anything. I walked out and everything was dry. But if it happened in Grand Rapids 15 inches in four hours we wouldn't go to work for a week. We wouldn't be able to drive down the road with all the rivers we have on stuff like that but

I mean I don't know maybe maybe it's a little bit higher than granite. Could be

I don't know I was shocked at the rain was all gone. Yes, four or five unique side hustles you probably don't know about

so I don't even know why I posted this story, to be honest. But it's okay. We always talk about buckets, right? We always talk about buckets that you should have. And so this is some just five additional things that you could do if you only driving Uber today, and you're trying to do it full time. What other things could you be doing? That's going to help in helped you to your to your revenue income, your income buckets? Right? Yeah. One of these here is that you can get paid to test websites.

So you as a programmer, I know, you probably have some knowledge. And this is true. Is there something like that out there where you're basically looking for bugs? Right?

Yes, yes. And so we use tools to do it. Oh, yeah. That run in the background? Yes. And we use tools. So we can we basically have tools to test it on every known browse on every known system? Okay. So it'll tell us. But again, if you have, if you have a site with hundreds and hundreds of pages, you know, yeah, I mean, and the client want to make sure that every single page is right on every single device out there. Yeah. And there can be benefits to having that. Absolutely. Yeah. And if you're a small company, let's say you are like a one man shop, I can see that it'd be beneficial to have a system such as this, you know, or if you are like NASA, or one of the big, big, big players, right, that hasn't made so much money doesn't even matter. It's always a good to kind of go out and test new features before they can launch them. So I can see that.

Yeah, Larry said testing for usability to which makes sense, like a user interface. Because a lot of the programming nerves

most of the testing is it's called responsive testing. So you want to make sure that it looks good on all your devices.

Yeah. But also user interface, because you programmers are nerds, and then you're like, oh, and then you get in there. I'm like, this is ugly, and they're like, ugly. What do you care about? It's like, I love you. I

design. Yeah, I

love the Lyft app, because it's pink, it's pleasant to be in, even though sometimes I hate Lyft. And like Ubers is black. And it's just not as pleasant. I haven't seen

the Lyft app in more than three years.

All right, number two.

So I should I should finish there. Say here. Basically, you for the test of the website, you can expect around $10 for about 15 minutes of your time. The problem again here is probably like everything else is can you get four or five or six of these tasks in a row Jamaica was your time? Or can you only get one of them will say help islands with their laundry now we were talking with we would be had an app on here called laundry for a couple of times. Not I think is gone, though. We don't know. Anyway, it's still

out there. But I've I'm a washer and had never got one wash yet.

So Right. Right, right. So basically, help with the laundry, there are several gig companies out there that will do that. If you want to do that if you have access to either a big of your washing machine or access to some some other ones. That's a good way you can make you know in this year, they say seven to $10 per load.

So which was way under what launder was, Oh, yeah. And the driver. Yeah, number three.

Number three is one I had negative never actually heard before. And we'll have to I don't know the service. But basically, you can review legal cases online, you may be able to get paid to review legal cases from home before going to trial. Lawyers look for ways to strengthen this case, their case, you could provide feedback and get paid as an online juror. And basically they're saying from anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes, you can get from 20 to $60 per case, you know, roughly $1 A minute of your time. So that's not too bad. And the last one that I said number four, sorry, not that is number four that I did here. And I think I know that they are active in rabbits. I forget the name of it. But basically you can add strangers use your pool, your pool for a price. So basically, if you have an inground pool, or any boy, I guess, and you know he's not being used on a certain day, you can post that day or that afternoon on the app and somebody else can come out and use your pool for the afternoon. And you can say yeah, I want to charge you know, 1020 whatever that is for for that. If you put us in a big city and you have an inviting outdoor space and maybe an attractive option for renters. And you there's no set rate you get to control what you're

charging. Yeah. Don't tell your homeowners insurance that you're doing that they say that's not a good idea. Pools gotta be like, pools and trampolines are like the worst. Yep,

yep. Number five. We've talked about these kinds of apps a number of different times this year, does he assemble furniture? They're talking about the app TaskRabbit. And but there's a number of apps out there as well. Handy is one TaskRabbit was when we talked about

bid up or bid bud. Yeah, we just talked

a bit but so basically the number of different apps out there where you can kind of do you go in and you can get paid good pay Get Paid sorry to do individual little task. There's a new player in the Michigan mighty called labor. And you don't there, you don't really get paid for a task, but you can post yourself as a laborer. And then you will get hired on an hourly basis by them. Well,

you don't post yourself. You pick the jobs. Well, yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. You're like, I

want that. It's not a task. No, it's an hourly, it's an hourly job. Yeah, for for a certain amount of time. Yeah, so it's a little bit different. But it's still gig gig work. In this case here they say then generally, you can get somewhere between 20 and $50 an hour based on how long it takes you to do a task. Yeah, the

assembling furniture. I hate putting that shit together. Like when you buy it, you know, like Yeah, that's such a pain in the ass. And honestly, it seems simple but if you're an elderly person that has arthritis in your hands, you're not putting that shit together

well and the thing is don't try and do it with the tool with the toys you get with the furniture that's a pain in the ass. Yeah, I mean you gotta I always I throw him away and I use my autopilot my own power tools it goes so much faster.

It does but you Yeah, you should try using the to have a kid

Wow. But it's not that much easier. So that's that's the last one I don't want to mention because that's actually just a credit card off of the app. But basically again, it's just a way for you for you guys to the important here thing here is if you aren't doing this full time and right now you have one maybe two buckets that bucket can be taken away very fast yeah okay. And then you are lost you all your income streams so make sure you do your your due diligence and add you know, two or three more bucks and obviously

like Uber and DoorDash and that's going to be your main money but I mean why not have something that you're like I got an hour to kill I'm missing or my kids are sleeping like maybe 2030 bucks. I did check out the legal one. I saved the link it's online verdict.com It is legit. So I don't know if the money quote is legit. But it definitely is a site and you can sign up to do that. So online

very calm. Let us know if you try and let us know how it goes. If you have you know any kind of design skills, there's tons of freelance jobs out there as well. Yeah, freelance Fiverr or Upwork there's lots of ways of doing that. All right, well, yeah,

we got to get through some of these. We're already at 51 minutes. So I'm cutting you off. DoorDash is ending its delivery partnership with Walmart. Hallelujah. Thank you so much.

If they just because they bought the the I

I think that's part of it. Or it's because they're, they're going to Well, it's funny. I think they bought DDI because remember, we talked about a month ago, maybe it was more than a month ago. They're trying to get their own drivers they're gonna have member they're gonna go in your house and put your groceries away. So this all could be just one big ploy to just get everyone away from Walmart and they're like we're gonna do our own thing. We've got all this data and everything so DoorDash is ending its partnership with Walmart after more than four years of delivering the retail giant's product to customers. That says sources familiar with the matter told insider that DoorDash decided to end his partnership DoorDash decided in his partnership with Walmart because it's no longer mutually mutually mutually beneficial because the delivery company wanted to focus on his long term customer relationships but I call bullshit on that Walmart's like we're out of here but it's interesting they don't get paid as much as spark and I don't know if there's so many hands in the kitty and so they're not going to get paid as much but I don't know so I'm excited about that i We've always had spark around here and not always has been around for a couple of years. And I don't think DoorDash works with Walmart in this area. It's it's area by area by So Mohammed said Kareo haven't tried it yet. I've heard somebody it's not curry it's curial right. I don't know what that is. I've never heard of I mean I've

curry is definitely another one here local you don't talk about curry there's no more

I like curry Yeah, curry is starting to pick up around Grand Rapids but it's starting to pick up everywhere.

They're not signing up any diamonds right now they're

not Tom. Tom will randomly Tom listed from Chicago will randomly send me like I got this curry. I'm not taking this one. It was like today he sent me one literally today. I think it was this morning. It was like 245 miles for $343 I know I know. I don't think those long ones are worth it. And I don't know if I should ask them if it actually it surges like if it went up but we begin some local ones for like, you know for miles for 20 bucks, and I'm like, that's a no brainer. But they're not so often and chances you being by there to make it worth not driving 30 minutes is slim to none.

But do you then do you have a few hours to do it? It doesn't have to be immediately.

Typically it's immediate, but you can Gray, they're flexible. Basically what you do is you grab it. And if you get assigned to it, you call the place and say, just confirming because I've gotten burned once where I went to Sherwin Williams and they sent it with somebody else and I still got 10 bucks to show it for showing up. But you click it you call the real let's say Sherwin Williams. Hey, my name is Jason. I'm picking up order Baba Baba is it's still available. You're ready for me? Yep. Okay. And then if you have a run to make, like a food run, or you had a food order, go take it. That's fine. You know, they say it's immediate, but but no failure me. Yeah, within the half hour. I mean, I'm sure they can take you off it, but I haven't have a problem. So I want to quick talk about Patreon. And a couple quick articles, we'd love for you to support us on Patreon. Go to patreon.com Search gig econ podcasts or just search the gig economy podcast, extra podcast a month, usually an interview with an up and coming business. And then on your third month, you do get exclusive piece of merch from us. And then also now at the $10 tier you are getting a ad free version of the show because we have added some shows, or some ads to the show that are just other podcasts helps us make a little extra money, because currently we don't have a super sponsor, and we are looking for that as well. But in the meantime, if you love the show you love the free show. You want to support us on Patreon. Go to patreon.com and search the gig economy podcast.

Absolutely. And please support us. Let's see. Next one is the windy article.

Yeah, I love this.

So I do do I do too. I did think it was interesting to what they were talking about. So in a little town called New Albany, Ohio, population of 11,000 people, they are testing this new concept when the but it is cool. Basically, the focus is a lot more gig based. Yeah. Right. So I mean, they're talking about a couple of gigs, specific things specifically. Gig workers will get their own pickup window. Yeah, gig workers will get their own spot in the parking lot. I know I don't have to get out your car anymore. I had to get inside, get pick it up anything like that is all that they are completely changing the layout of the kitchen to make it much more efficient. They're saying that it's going to be the entire length of the restaurant. So to be more efficient for how they work, but but the idea is that it's going to be much more focused on not so much eating in the restaurant, but just as much taken out. Yeah. Okay. And then the other thing too, that I read that was interesting is they just recently changed the recipe of their of their fries to make them more friendly for delivery.

Oh, really? I know they changed it recently. So

basically, the the article is saying that it's so there'll be the better chance of still being crispy when it gets to live God

if some. It's cool how that works. His fries are the worst on delivery.

I know. Right? But it's I think it's cool, because we always talk about how he's changing the workforce. But now he's changing the model as well. Yeah, so the gig is really it's really changing everything

I know we talked about a lot of those restaurants said it's cheaper for them to shut the lobby might then run a smaller crew and they save more money and just do drive thru.

So that's another thing I was thinking about. As I read the article, I wonder how much the redesign of the kitchen means they need less needs less staff.

Yeah, I mean, more egg was agronomic or not now that's more for health reasons. But

another thing that I've seen lately is they a lot. The whole the whole concept of adding robots and kitchens is an up and coming as being used more and more so I'm thinking that they are probably doing something like that because this is what we'll be dealing with right now in Grand Rapids and I'm sure everywhere is nobody have enough people to staff Yeah,

yeah, it's that's funny you bring up about the robots everyone wants more money, but be careful what you wish for because if you get too greedy they'd be like, You know what, we can get this robot? No Yeah, it's a five year investment after five years we'll we'll be breaking even you know what, I'm not paying you $20 an hour to work out when he's I'm gonna buy this robot. So there there will come a tipping point.

And he won't complain. He won't complain doesn't get sick. No, he doesn't need a date. You know, they often doesn't bitch no. He just take them fries out of the out of the gate and also, you know, he doesn't get hurt. He doesn't have you know,

well my guess is those effing robots are gonna break down every 40

seconds you know, there's no you Whether workman's comp claims are not eating the food, and

you don't have to offer the robot a 50% discount on their meal. I like Wendy's is doing this I like when fast food places innovate, you know McDonald's really? Yeah, they've they've, they've innovated some of their food, but it's still kind of the same old shit. There's really nothing great about McDonald's

your favorite restaurant chain like Wendy's. I mean, my number

10 saga ranch chicken sandwich spicy chicken, it's got weight is by far my favorite. I actually liked the old fries better. When they went to the bigger wedges that we're see sold or whatever, I want to eat the shit out of those right now. No sucks. All right, moving on quick at this DoorDash about some tipping. It's about 142 on the time, and we'll talk about it. I'm calling to tell the non tippers to come pick up their orders.

Easy answer, no refund to me, because tipping is not for the delivery service.

Let's talk about pre tipping on DoorDash orders and why you're having such a bad time, man. See, I'm a pretty experienced DoorDash driver. I've got 1600 lifetime deliveries. But this is the number I want to point to my acceptance rate. This means out of every 10 orders that are offered to me or 100, I suppose I accept 24 of them. The base pay per delivery for us is about two to $4 in my market. So if there's no tip on it, then you're not making any money if you want to say that delivering food isn't the hardest job on Earth. And yeah, I'd agree with you. But it's also pretty easy to be good at and I'm good at what I do. But if you really want to talk about where the skill comes in with DoorDash, it's knowing what orders to accept or not. And that's why my acceptance rate is so low, I will never accept an order like yours because in 1600 deliveries I've never seen anybody that thinks this way, added tip after the fact no matter how good you do. So I tell you all this, because if you're having a bad time, and you're not pre tipping the reason or having a bad time, it's the people accepting orders are people who don't know how to deliver food or navigate the DoorDash platform. No wonder everyone that's delivering your food seems to be bad at what they're doing. It's probably because they're new to it. The platform itself can make you've made a lot of mistakes, because it's really confusing at first, and let's talk about your food being called because other people's orders are getting delivered ahead of yours. When no one's accepting your order, DoorDash will start putting them into doubles and triples, and then it'll skies that with an order that's tipped really well. Now personally, I'll go into that order and look and if I see it in tip, I'll drop your order, make it a single order and just take the really juicy one. Some people don't know how to do that. But who do you think is order gets prioritized in that? It's probably the person that tipped right. Yeah. Tip your drivers. Or here's a crazy thought. Have some personal responsibility and pick up your own damn food. It's so dang easy. Oh, I love Well, yeah, he

did. Exactly, in fact is 24% I feel like it's too high for him. It needs to even be lower. But ya know, he makes such a good point. And you know, I do the same thing. You can prioritize those those. If you do pick up a group order, you the best tipper can get the food first. They don't make you go right where you want. So yeah, y'all got a pre tip. I mean, you guys know this as drivers. But I just thought that was a really good short explanation in a minute. 42. If you're don't know, the platform, you're like, it's good for drivers. And it's good for people that are ordering food. So I thought that was interesting.

No, absolutely. It definitely yes.

Let's skip the handcuffs, on animals. Let's do this. One more that DoorDash for your is testing delivery. And then we'll wrap it.

Okay. Sounds good. So this is pretty interesting new feature. We all have used the Facebook marketplace. Now. It's called the meta five MicroBlaze. Right. I was supposedly is supposed to be made on anyways, who knows? But yeah, it's the Facebook marketplace. And so in some markets, they are now testing that you can do delivery using DoorDash. And so the idea is that, obviously that if you have a small item, you can now say you for a long time, you could actually have them charge shipping on your behalf. Yeah, label on all that stuff. And now you can choose DoorDash is a delivery agent. And he somebody will come to your door, pick up the item. And then he'll drop them off at the other side of town for you or whatever. And then you know, he gets paid, you could pay whatever. Yeah, and all the money goes through Facebook. They say that it's only for obviously for items that can fit in your trunk. And we'll be interested to see how well that does. I mean, that's I think it's a it's a great new way I guess of building the Facebook marketplace. Yeah. And I think a lot of people will will, will like the idea of not actually have to be face to face with the person you're buying something off, right? Because I always my big the thing I hate the most is people come to my door, right? We've already arranged on the price, right? Yeah, they come to my door and they goes, would you take 40? No. Well, I'd

like at that point. It's like,

I mean, I will only do that like if they find something on it. Well, yeah, and I'm like You know what? You're right. That's fair. I'll knock it down to 40 What

did you Oh, I only have 40. Why? Why did you only make? Because that we accepted on 42? Right? That's the thing. It's like $2 to do it on, right?

So like, well, you should set a price at 42. Anyways, it was a joke,

right? But he's like, it's such a little amount that they, you know, what we agreed on whatever it was, and we only brought 50 Why did you only bring 50 When it's 54? Right? Whatever. It just bothers me.

I like that they're adding that service because I'll have people recently I had a flurry of stuff I sold and I had a couple of things people like well, you deliver it. And I'm like, I can't remember what it was. I basically double it was like I was selling it for 25 I'm like I'll deliver it for 50 buy and sell it to you for 25 So because I mean guess it's 375 a gallon and she did shoot and go with it but I can't remember what it was but this might be a good for those people that don't have cars because like it's not you know, not everyone has a car and like they want to buy the I love Facebook marketplace. Like literally I'm looking at American seating movie theater seats. This guy is going to if you pick him up tomorrow, today or tomorrow, he'll you have it for free. And it's a four seat set. And I'm like I get on this site and when you put him I don't know but it looks cool as hell like their movie theater seats therefore together like I mean, I don't have a place to put them but that would be cool. Like if you had an outdoor space and you

could do like Gary Vee You can sell them that's true. You could

sell them for free well what's funny he saw them he listed this these for $300.06 weeks ago and now they're free. So I don't think anyone wanted them but anyway, total sidenote, but true,

but Facebook Facebook marketplace is awesome. We just bought a instant instinct cooker for like half price or what it was the new is like mine it's awesome.

Well you guys thanks so much for listening to the show I'll if you're out watch it if you watch this live and can you do me a favor? Can you download the audio podcast that's where most people listen and it would help give us more internet point. I should have said at the beginning but if you ever listened to the show live just go ahead and your favorite podcast player and download the show. We'll be back in two weeks again don't forget about the picnic shit what is what is two weeks? I'm gonna look at the calendar I know this is oh so we'll be back the week of the picnic but on the 14th so

Thanks Larry. Thank you Larry so when when when you're in there down on the podcast you see our favorite pet park where you can also listen to all the previous episodes. Oh yeah, lots of good stuff.

You can go to Episode one when I was in a different room by myself on like a laptop mic. By the way Larry, you're welcome to come up a couple days early if you want to be on the show that Wednesday night live in person just throwing it out there

just throwing it out there anyways guys, thank you. Thank you guys have a

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