Episode #120

Hey, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast episode 120 Thank you so much for joining us. I love you all yesterday loves you sometimes.

I love them more than you. That's fair. Okay.

Yes for a complaint earlier that he has to start wearing pants

i and it's cold I

told him he was welcome to wear no pants if you wanted to in the studio, but he declined everything gig economy relating go to gig economy show.com You can download the podcasts you can check out our merch, all that fun stuff. Yeah, really appreciate you guys want to announce the winner of the giveaway from the picnic. We did do the drawing for that. And there are three prizes. There's a $50 Amazon card, a t shirt and a sticker pack slash keychain slash or retro sticker from back in the day when we're old school all that fun stuff. So old school, old school. So real quick, the winner of the $50 is

John from North Carolina Yeah. John $50 in no John we cannot take that $50 Putting your gambling account.

I was taking the exam I was trying to

figure out the rocket game and I'm like no one's gonna know the rocky game like

we could just put it give me tournament like a Draft Draft Draft Kings.

If you want to if you want to listen to that little inside joke check out the I can I can complain podcast and look up when he was in West Michigan for that. Alright, second play had a lot of fun with that though. Yeah, I've won some money on there. I'm like 150

I must admit I have unfortunately also signed up for it. But I am I'm down just a little bit. I'm not gonna do anymore. Oh, sure.

All right. Second place for a gig economy podcast t shirt is. Kathy, Kathy, you know Kathy is no, it's Larry's wife. I knew they que les Larry once again got me podcast t shirt.

Do they come in female we give them a female size for

Kathy. Yeah, but I think Cathy probably doesn't want it. She's probably gonna give me one. I can get her a female if she wants it. But um, I guess Larry does add third place for the amazing sticker pack retro and real time and a keychain goes to Leonardo da Vinci Leo from Detroit. Oh, you won. Yay. Thanks, guys, for coming in.

You have to put them on your Tesla.

Yes. Well, the one sticker is really small. So you could put it on anywhere and no one would even see it. But But yeah, I will reach out to y'all get your email, stuff like that. So thanks for coming to the picnic. We really appreciate it. Just real quick mention the Patreon members Keith from Indiana Larry from Bowling Green Sampson from Grand Rapids. Steve from Colorado. Chris from Grand Rapids. James from Fort Collins. Bud from North Carolina. Tom Kelly from Houston and Omar from Detroit. There's a telegram group. I love you to join it so you can chat about gig work or whatever

we need to get to chatter going again. Yeah,

we need to get Gary in there. You can check that out. And in the link in the description. We'd love for you to join. And then of course our friend Steve from rideshare. Rodeo check his show out rideshare rodeo.com. And then we are the radio show even though last time we we said we were going to be there we weren't because of the picnic. But I'm going to be there this Friday. So you really want to last Friday. Yeah, no. from seven to nine at TNC Radio dot live. I will be on this week seven to nine Eastern. Yeah, I'm spot so yeah. And so yeah, yes, spur. Do you have any stories from the road? Yeah, I know. You drove a little bit I do.

I do. But I do want to talk about one thing quickly. First, you got brought up the the telegram group. Yeah. And so I wanted to just say a little bit back in the days before the pandemic, okay, that was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. But that was kind of its kind of now we talked we were not talking about before Christ and after Christ. Now we were talking before pandemic and after pandemic. You know, the new child.

It's things that happened in the world because it was 911 Post 911 For the longest time.

So now is pre pre pandemic post pandemic anyways. So we used to actually we had we had, I would say we had 50 us was active in the group. And I think we had like 20 That was really active.

Yeah, you know, especially when we were all doing the bar scene at night.

But the way we were using it was when we were all driving, we would we would announce ourselves, we were saying, you know, we are here, whatever. And then in between, right, we would listen to it. And we would go into right now. And I think the telegram group is having a little bit of struggles right now. It's just, it's, it's changing a little bit. I think.

No one's driving the bar scene anymore.

Well, but no one has. I mean, that's not true that completely because when I'm out there, people are driving, I met in our current grind, right. But what I need people to do, again, if you aren't in telegram group, please go back to that. announce yourself, check in, you know, a few times during the night and kind of listen to get the chatter going again, because it is part of it to kind of check in Yeah, how was it that and if you used to be a group on it, and you're not on a gun, join again? Because we want you back?

Yeah. How was the chatter that when you work the bar scene, it was just so there

was none? No, you we announce ourselves, but then we don't really say much, you I know. It's just me and a couple other people

that's out there. Like I was just saying it was it, Chris.

So Chris is often there. Yeah. Awesome. Friday. And then it's usually Matt. And then and then Chicago. Tom? No, no, I forget his name. I apologize.

Chicago, I'm

always bad with names. The

only one we know from Chicago is Tom. Tom. Maybe it was Tom. He doesn't get on very much. He only drives during the day.

Anyways, he's been on a couple of times. But anyways, so but it was quiet. Let's fight. Yeah, but Alessandra when I drove, but I did drive eight hours, and I did average. $28 an hour.

Okay. So it was not bad. How was the drunks? So I

must say wasn't bad. But, but there was busy. I mean, I was bumper to hours. Right, right. Right, right. Yeah. I mean, I had, there was about 20 minutes while there was like I was just, there was no right and tire went offline. Around nine o'clock. Okay. But other than that, it was I went out at 656 30. And I drove till 215.

Somebody said that the new pricing plan has come around to Grand Rapids. I have I saw a post about it, but only one post the trip radar and all that other stuff. I have

not seen it yet. Yeah, I've not seen it. But I am seeing more and more requests for pins. So weird. I am. It's all I mean, I gotta had a couple of against last Saturday.

I wonder. It's got to be set up by the user. Then.

Once again, this was not this was not last time I go. But there was one time where I asked for the pin and usually didn't know about it. He had to go into his app and see the pin. Oh, yeah, it's 1234. So I

don't know. So maybe the user isn't setting it up. I

don't know. But yeah, so that it's an interesting part of that. But definitely that happened. But that was a fun story from Saturday. Oh, this was just this one. Not that fun. But anyways, this is the second time it's happened to me in the many years I've driven okay, I took the same party out and back the same really the same night. Yeah, that happened to me once before. Pre pandemic, and then they actually happened again this time. And, and they noticed it before I noticed them. Oh, yeah. Like it? Yes. Again,

you feel that? That's because they're just not a ton of drivers.

They were all saying it was extremely difficult to get large vehicles. Oh, and again, I must admit, when I'm out driving, I'm confident XL only I don't drive any x if you're busy. Why not? Right. And I was I mean, I literally was, I would get a ride and I within a few minutes of me dropping off, I get another ride, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, head all the time. Nice.

So how are the tips?

So last time about? I want to say how can I say this? Well, how many

percentage of what so I was

about 25% of my total earnings was tip. Okay, so maybe 20% or 20%. My total earnings was tips. So not bad. Yeah.

Not great, but not bad. No, I

mean, but again, I generally you get three, four or $5 tip every time. Really? That's what I would get. Yeah, three or four every time well, not every day, if they tip it.

That's not 25% No, no, no, but

if they tip it's a three, four or $5 tip. So I'm wondering if they change the tears? I don't know.

question that people want to know. Are you going to bring back your tablet karaoke slash music? boombox, so

I've actually thought about it. Yeah. And the reason why I could do it before was because I had my in car service from Verizon. Actually, I actually had I had Wi Fi in my car. Okay, now I do have an unlimited phone plan now and so and I can I can have my hotspot, I can have my hotspot. And the problem with that is it's going to drain my battery faster than I can take it. So right now I, I'm trying to figure out how to do it. Okay. And again, if I sign up for that service again with I mean, I have to drive a little bit more than I'm doing right now before it's worth it. Yeah, to sign up for another Verizon plan. Yeah, but I mean, if I turned that back on, I will

watch how much extra is an additional hotspot like 15 bucks a month or

$10 for a device a month. Oh, no, it's not. But I still have to buy the device. Because the device I have right now is too old to not working anymore. Yeah. Yeah,

it's too old.

I know two years old. Right. So now I mean, I guess possibly could work. I don't know. It's one of those. What are they called? You put a I put it in your dongle. Or you know, or your OBS? Yeah, goes into OBS. And then okay, it connects the eyes and then it becomes a Wi Fi hotspot for the Yeah, I

feel like new cars probably have Wi Fi built into them now. I mean, you have to pay for the service. Sure. Yeah.

I mean, if I, you know, we're thinking about possibly getting a new vehicle. But you know, you've been talking about that for a year. I know. Right. But right now the van is driving pretty well. I had I had an incident last week where I thought maybe there was something going on, but the mechanic I brought it through he actually thought that if we just have a spout of bad gas and it happened to habits you put some Yep. I didn't clean it right clean right up. So I put in some gas cleaner and little like, fought all you put in thick gas tank and then yeah, but it stopped. I

think it's your 85 I think it's garbage fuel.

I don't know Michelle never put the 85 in and she was the one who has to gas. Oh, well. We put we go back and forth. Anyways. You're blaming your wife. I see how it does. No, no, no, I'm not blaming. She's just the one who put gas in the van last.

I'm pulling this clip. It's coming to you. All right.

I'm not blaming Michelle. She didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah. Jerry asked about the pin. Yeah, we don't know. We were just talking about that. We're not sure why I can see I thought when they were doing it for Uber Eats is because people were claiming it to get their food. So that's pretty, surefire way to well, you gave the pen.

The first one I saw with them Jerry was was the first two I saw a both visitors from Chicago. So that felt like it was something that turned on more in some of the bigger cities first. And it is definitely for security reasons to ensure that whoever ordered the ride is the one who gets in your car.

I mean, if I had if I was younger, and a bunch of Bros and that kind of like someone stole a ride once I would want a pin on there every single time like no fucker, like, take in mind. So

the process is pretty cool. Because the moment they get in the car and I say accept the ride, it comes right up. Give me your drivers pay, you write us pin. Okay. And then until you put the pin in, it won't stop the ride.

Okay. So I think it's a good safety feature.

It is it is but you don't have to have it on. I mean, it doesn't. It's not on on everybody. Right? So yeah,

it's just weird that the guy didn't know about it unless he just was bullshitting. But anyways, jumping into gig economy news. This is a little bit of old news. Obviously, we podcasts every two weeks, but we were investing in breach of his computer systems. They were hacked. And I think Rockstar Games was hacked to it. This is a little bit older article but weeks ago, yeah. said surely before this. So Uber employees were instructed not to use company's internal messaging system slack found that other internal systems are inaccessible to employees who are not authorized to speak shortly before before slack system was taken offline Thursday afternoon, Uber employees receiving messages that read I announce I am a hacker and Uber has suffered a data breach right message went on the list several internal databases.

Did you see in the article, they write the method how they did it?

Yeah, I got that highlighted, says the person who claimed responsibility for the hack told The New York Times that he had sent a text message to an Uber worker claiming to be a corporate information technology person. The worker was persuaded to hand over a password that allowed the hacker to gain access to the system, a technique known known as social engineering. I mean, come on, dude, why? We do?

It happens every day. It does. This is why this is why we have all the messages about you know, Uber will never contact you. Yeah, Uber will never send you a text asking you for your password. It will not happen.

Well that Uber employees now fired I'm sure. Gary said the guy's name is teapot and they caught him. Yeah, I knew I knew that they had caught him. I couldn't remember his name. Yep. But how how is it that you? What did he say? I'd love to see the text six. To change how he was able to persuade him to give him a password?

Well, it's just, if it's somebody who doesn't really know what, you know, all that, stuff like that, it can be easy to think, Hey, I'm trying to get access to a system. Can you just give me

I wonder, I wonder if teapot mask a number of another boy. So that's why he felt comfortable giving it up. But there's got to be a protocol for that. Yeah, I'm sure there is but he didn't follow it. So and then, the hacker who provided screenshots of eternal Uber systems to demonstrate his access that said that he was 18 years old and had been working on cybersecurity skills for several years. He said he had broken into Ubers system because the company had weak security in the Slack message that announced the breach. The person also said Uber drivers should receive higher pay. I thought that

was maybe he's the driver.

Gary said you should not work in it if you fall for this. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like they need some, some thicker level.

I think the problem is, nobody cares about security. That's the real problem. Nobody. Nobody cares about passwords. I mean, it's just one of those things that for the most for most people. It's just something that gets in the way. They don't it's yeah, it's not gonna happen to me. That's that's the attitude. Well, yeah, that's about it.

Well, I think we all get complacent, right? Even me. I mean, unfortunately, I probably have a ton of accounts out there that have the same effing password, right? And what trick or treat one of these days I'm gonna get stopped.

This is why people need on the companies need to invest in biometric passwords and bad biometric methods. That's what we need to go to.

Well, before we even get to that it's two factor authentication. Like I get my Twitter account tried to hack on a weekly basis. Overnight, I'll get a request for a pen. And it's like, well, they can't get it because I you know, so I think they need to start there. Glenn says the employee was a high ranking employee not a low on the totem pole. That even makes it worse.

Unless maybe makes it easier because he probably doesn't. Oh, he him insecurity. Yeah, he probably has an assistant that does all this shit for Yeah, she made me that's what he wants, hey, store or whatever. Yeah, get the passwords.

I would never sent them. No, that's that's a lie. I've sent you many passwords over telegram. But I mean, it's yes. For and I it's not like this huge company, trying to get into our company. But yeah, that's crazy. By the

way, it brings up a good point, right? If you have the ability to turn on MFA, then do it. Multifactor. Yeah, you should definitely have it on. And and

yeah, why don't almost I mean, the main apps I use have them, but a lot of them don't like, I mean, Gmail plays. And it should be mandatory.

So Gmail is actually gonna it's gonna become mandatory right now. That's the thing that they're going to be within the next six months. I believe that if you're using professional Gmail services, okay, MFA is going to be required. It should be.

It saves them a hassle. It's a hassle. I mean, yes. Is it annoying to put a six digit code in? Yes, it is. But we all have our phone right here. And especially if you, if you have a Mac and an iPhone, the text comes on your computer, you literally can just copy and paste and put it in there.

A lot of the a lot of the on your phone, you don't even have to copy and paste anymore. The app actually reads the text for you.

Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't do that on Android. Okay, I didn't know that. But it has to be set up. Correct. That's, that's the kicker. I just, I did just buy a new phone. Finally. And I Oh, my battery only went down to 70% instead of 2%. On a daily basis. But anyways, I noticed in this new software, it's asking me if okay to paste in some of these apps. Apple's asking me I want to shut that off. I'm like, if I copied a paste and paste it in there, why are you asking me Can Can Gmail paste this in? Or whatever? I'm like, I don't know. It wasn't on that on my old phone. I'm

sure it's a new new thing of the new Apple software. It could be

but I had the new Apple software in my old phone. And it didn't do that. I don't know. It's annoying. But anyways, I guess it's a safety thing. But whatever.

I don't use it. I use Max because Max sucks.

being complacent. I'm like, This is annoying. This cost I mean, oh, sure. But I mean, if I'm copying and pasting something, like I have my phone. It doesn't mean I don't know. It's annoying.

But I mean, at the same time, though, I'm annoyed because I just got the new pixel six. I'm a pixel guy, your iPhone guy, it's fine. But I got the new pixel six and they moved the finger. The finger scanner from the back to actually on on the screen itself now, and it sucks. Not nearly as good and I have a screen protector on Oh, and it's not it doesn't work half the time it was a face. It doesn't. They took away the face. There is no face on the new new Android they have they have temporarily removed face to face login because it's for some reason. And

so Android supposedly better than Apple and a brand new phone they took away face.

It's not the phone. It's because it's in the software. It's yeah either

way. It's Google software,

but it's bad disabled.

That's terrible. You got to be a peasant and actually enter your password. All right, moving on. So we've talked about the robot deliveries. This one is fun. This one is it is a little bit lengthy. I, I probably didn't even watch the whole thing, but you'll get the gist of it. He's traveling on a road and he comes across a crime scene and we'll just watch what happens but yeah, basically, the guy lifts the news guy lifts the crime scene tape up and he's just going across I don't know what kind of crime it is. But yeah, just do all your picks up speed. That's strange. I didn't watch the whole thing. The gig economy podcast We'll be back after a quick break.

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but that's an AI driven cars right you think so? I don't know man

look at all the cops look at it that's funny it's still sitting there I wonder what's going on? Well clearly the crime is over but look out look at all those scooters yeah I'm just everywhere all their Latinum through still going crazy

in the video if you can hear the video they actually right now they're talking about like the like the the cameraman was like this is like this should be the easiest way of doing a bombing. Yeah, like a bomb on that Condor

if you guys want to join Patreon tonight we are actually going to do a live after the show right away we'll like five minutes after so if you want to join Patreon let me get the link here and I will share it I would love for you to come on with us normally we just do an interview and but tonight yesterday we're just gonna shoot the shit probably bitch about the board not working or whatever but

that's apparently what we're gonna be talking about now. Yeah. All right, moving

on. Now that we know our board a little janky another video and if this sound doesn't work on this one, but we're skipping it because you need to hear it. This is actually about an Amazon electric van and I nerd out on this shit like it's by rivian Right? What are its rivian or riviana

whatever to play the video.

Don't tell me what to do. I'm trying to set it up. Sorry set it out. No too late please. I got I'm playing it now if this doesn't work I'm gonna throw the board out the window.

Sorry guys see?

What is up guys right behind me is Amazon's new delivery van. So that may not seem like a big deal until you read powered by rivian. That means this man is 100% Electric Amazon wanted it to look as friendly as possible which it does. Well. My favorite part is the little smile in the headlight. Your grab handles are primed blue. You have a built in seat for trainees. You have a built in cup holder and even my seat belts are primed blue. Inside you get this giant heated windshield you have storage space right there grab handles is powered by rivian storage behind they're the same screens in the Caribbean truck and SUV with no CarPlay or Android Auto you have a digital Driving Display storage behind your seat with cupholders But it gets even cooler so the driver's seat is raised so that way when I turn to get out it's less stress on my hips. Plus when I put the car into park it does this oh it gets cold your steering wheels heated Your seat is heated and ventilated and even your train nisi is heated the drivers even get this really cool key that clips onto your shirt and now instead of the loud beeping this plays white noise whenever it reverses.

That's worse.

To make sure this is super visible the entire back is prime blue you have these really cool LED lights to go all the way around and you have a button here that opens your rear door and the flow is well thought out for the drivers they put it into Park hit the hazard button grab the phone out of your wireless charging pad. Go back here grab Have the package and deliver.

I'm so I mean like, sign me up to work for Amazon. That seems so fun.

I know you're gonna get paid. I just want to drive it. Yeah. Can I?

Can I just do it for one day and Jerry says better vehicle than ups? Yeah UPS is their vehicles are old, old old they have like it's kind of like Bluetooth technology for outdoors but 20 on that van was sweet

it is it is. But it's there's going to come more for UPS USPS as well. They're gonna get better via UPS.

I am telling you. They, you know, they barely got rid of the manual transmission, right? I mean, there's still man in the Grand Rapids shot or branch. They're still manual transmission trucks in there.

Right? Well, it'd be a long time. And USPS is so much on the struggle bus. It's crazy. Yeah, I actually ran into I went, I happen to be at all the last Sunday because you know, shopping whatever. And there was a USPS driver. He was out delivering mostly he said, it's mostly Amazon packages. Yeah. Because they're struggling so much getting drivers apparently. Yeah.

I mean, they they got it. They just don't treat their drivers. Well.

I mean, that's the thing, too. And they don't they don't treat any of their employees. Well, right. I mean,

yeah. Gary says the UPS or FedEx, they don't even have AC Yeah, UPS doesn't have AC. I mean, you got a little fan. It's not that

little fan pitches. But again, that's only in Michigan is only a problem for three months in the out of the year. Yeah,

I mean, it's not bad. I mean, they get to wear shorts and short sleeves. So they're fine. But I say

that, but I wouldn't want to do it in Arizona.

No, no, it'd be hot. Well, what's interesting about ups to is at least in the Grand Rapids area, or Michigan, they start at about 9am. So you can't even start it early when the heats not so bad. I mean, you got to wait for them to finish pack in your truck. So right, right, right. But yeah, I love that van so much. I watched that video like four times on Tik Tok. I was like, this is the sweetest van ever.

So tell me one thing. Why isn't ups and USPS for that matter? And FedEx? Why are they not moving towards the flex model?

So UPS does. So they do during seasonal, you can be a gig worker. But the only caveat is you have to be committed to a shift. Sure. So you have to like you get to use your own car. It's actually a huge moneymaker. Use your own car and they pay you mileage. Right. And you can write it off. There you go. It's it's a big moneymaker. And I think they pay like 2530 bucks an hour. But you're using your own car. Right. But you have to be there Monday through Friday. Right? If it worked for somebody, that's great. To me, that doesn't quite feel like a gig work, because you're required to be there.

Right. Right.

But I mean, they, you know, your 1099. Right.

No, and I understand that we talked about that a little bit later in this podcast, because we're talking about a pocket stream, whatever. The federal government is changing that again. But for Amazon, the flex model is pretty successful. Yeah, it is. I mean, I can only see that model growing. And I think it's going to I mean, if I would guess I would I see that growing into USPS or UPS USPS, and to FedEx as well.

Yeah, but Amazon doesn't want to use flex workers, because it cost them way too much money. But why is that? Because they're paying an Amazon driver $15 an hour, they would rather just get more Amazon dryers for 15 bucks an hour instead of paying us $30 an hour. You know, yeah,

that makes sense. But you're not buying Benny you have to buy the by the vehicles, though.

True, but I mean, at the scale that they're purchasing stuff, they're getting that ship for probably half off of what we would pay for a van. That Ruby on the rivian truck is like 90 grand. I mean, what did Amazon pay for that van? Right, you know, 30 grand? I don't know. Probably more than that. Yeah. But I'm just saying

Do you think they're putting putting and putting a person in that van for 15? Paying 15,000 on

the most of them start 15 to 17 an hour? No. That's why they're using flex because you know there has and they kill those guys. They kill them, right? No, I know, you know, at least UPS after like five or six years. You're making six figures, but they're killing ya. Right? I mean, your your you will have bad knees, bad hips and everything, but you'll have a giant salary and a huge pension. Right? But Amazon's nah. Don't work for Amazon, y'all. Unless you're an independent contractor go to UPS. I guarantee you right now. They are hiring drivers off the street. Full time UPS driving. Now there's a lot of hoops to jump through. But once you're in there, I mean, if you're a young guy and you're able it's a good effing job and you like what have your cane Then you're dead. Alright, moving on. I did. I don't know which one killed who did Cain killed Abel or Abel kill Cain.

Moving on.

Oh, you're the one that

started. I don't know that the bottom. All right. Okay, this is the next one. You can just play it. This is about Oupa Midmark mini mart mini mart. Yeah.

So it's Oh, yeah, it is does say Midmark. I don't know. I spelled like an idiot. This is real quick.

The first UberX with a mini Martin saw the first mover with a mini Martin sign.

Now, I liked that. I mean, it looks tacky. He needs to tone it down. But I've always thought about which we've talked about before is selling monsters when we're going out to the bar and selling waters on the way out. I don't know. What do you think about that? I mean, yeah, that looks a little cheesy. But

what the biggest problem is there's no there's there's currently no good way of getting the money.

Yeah, well, Venmo is easy, though. If you put a picture of Venmo on the back of that. They could just scan it. Within seconds, you'd have money in your Venmo account. And it'd be easy because you'd be driving. They'd like yeah, I take a monster they scan it they pay you the five bucks you get notification that comes down. Oh, Baba, bah paid you five bucks.

Oh, there you go. Yeah, I guess I mean, true. That's true.

I don't know. Wasn't there a vending service for a while though?

Can't do though. Legally though. You didn't you have no you have to do sales tax. No.

Hey, bro. What do you work for the IRS? Don't you remember? There was a there was a snack thing going around? Oh, cargo. Yeah, remember? Yeah. And they went under Uber bottom. And then Uber just squashed it or something. It wasn't worth it wasn't what they wanted. And I tried so hard to get one of those. And finally, when I was was going to come to Grand Rapids, and then they nixed it, Uber bought it and then went away.

But I always thought it was a good idea if you could get a model that works. You know, but but it's the whole thing about how do you I mean, we tried so many times, the pandemic

I think it has. And as much as I joke about the sales cycle, I do agree that if it was done by like a Lyft, or an Uber, they would take care all that and then they would wake Sasha caught like you'd get 25% or whatever. But then not only think it would be worth the hassle, if you're selling a $5 monster and you get like 50 cents of it or whatever, like would it be even worth the hassle?

Well, I think the problem it becomes worth it. If you are a full time driver, all this stuff, and that's the thing. It's, we will be where I was only part time drivers is never worth it for me. Right. Right. And again, you have to drive in the bar scene and gotten a drive through time. Sure things Yeah, you're

not selling anything direct drive during the day, maybe?

I mean, not in our area, right.

Well, depending on what you had, if you had headache meds and tampons, and that kind of I mean, I'm just saying for the ladies, you know, they're like shit, I started my period. I need a tampon or whatever. But other than that your your big money time would be nighttime,

right? Yeah. But again, we also tried giving away the free drinks and stuff and none of that. It

never never late. Excellent tip. That's not to say you got to charge him because you're not going to get tipped. Otherwise he might look at your money up front.

Get to somebody's home last Saturday, he goes, I'll hit you in the app, did you? And I just yeah, whatever.

I think I think we you still have your dashcam I do. We should do tiktoks And when somebody says that pull the footage will bleep it out. But you need to say something like No you're not. No you won't. Or you have to be like, not mean but just like, Oh sure. I'll see you when I believe it. And then they get out you know what I mean? Whatever and then and then prove to see if they actually did or not, but that would be a funny tic tac.

Alright, Cain Cain is the murderer apparently according to Tyler Cohen.

Oh, I shouldn't know that. But I don't try the king. Tyler Kade Where are my pictures?

Where are you pictures?

Oh, I don't have very many of those. I was thrown off. Reddit packs off the phone in my car an hour away from me. So lift in I lift said I violated terms by asking for $100 returned it immediately. We'll get back to that. The packs agreed but so when I drove all the way back the packs has $5 and said he's calling the police what the f so I left and kept and kept his phone. Was I wrong? We'll go back to that. Text please let me know a phone was left in your back seat. Please return my call ASAP. Yes, I found a phone I am with a passenger and are great. If you need it right away. It's $100 cash for me to return it right now. Or you can go through the Lyft app and they'll and they set up a return. He says Please come back. Please respond to my text that you agree to pay 100 cash for their turn of the phone and your address please. He agreed. So he says I he's on his way. So couple of problems one are I think he did probably violate terms and conditions by cash because I don't think they say you can ask for cash outside of the app like, you can never ask for cash. Yeah, in general. So he did violate the terms for that. But then he kept his phone. I'm thinking, no, just now you're doing something. Now you're stealing. You met him there, you're just gonna be a dick. Just take the $5 and be like, well then submit it to live and at least get 20. Right? Because they'll say they'll ask you that. Did you return the phone already? And you could say yes. And they'll just build the $15.

Exactly. I mean, that's the thing you take, take a photo of the take a photo of the phone. Yeah. Before I hand it back to them. And then if he doesn't do anything, then you just submit it to where and yeah, get your money. God

says great. I'll be looking for it. I mean, I always said that joke. If you ever get a phone, just open the window and throw it out the out the window. Just chuck it. I mean, you shouldn't do that

we actually had we had a guy in our group who many years ago had somebody to show up in the middle of the night. Yes. At his house with the police to pick up the phone because he didn't turn off the phone. Yes. So the first thing is turn off the phone before you get home. Yeah,

if you want to, like figure out who it is, and you're in the city, that's fine. But yeah, when you drive before you drive home, you turn that damn thing off.

Yes. So yeah, definitely turn turn it off. But yeah, it's it. Yeah, I am. It's happened to me several times. And I always dive back with it. And I always just get the $15

Yeah, I don't ever I'm not going to negotiate that. Like, I'll definitely negotiate it for driving to Detroit like, Well, absolutely. Because then you're not you haven't taken the ride yet. You're like, hey, it's gonna be 100 bucks extra. Do you agree? Yeah. Okay. Pay paid me the 100. And then I'll take the ride. But at least if he doesn't pay me the 100 I'm not going to take the ride. So there's no report of us driving or getting in my car or anything. So but yeah, all Glenn said that was for the tip in the app conference. I'm telling you, I think it'd be a great tic tac like you could just pull those clips will blur it out. It'll be fine. I will just put it on.

I'm gonna have to start looking at it. I have to I have to reset my card anyways, and actually to get format it. I got a format and I really should do a software update on my camera.

I know it's been a while for my two. I

mean, my camera set still for two years before I used to because of the pandemic right. Yeah. So I really should update I'm sure there are updates. There is that but I should get the new camera. That's what I should yeah, yeah. They've what's it called the for?

Leo's got so you remember, I will never our cams. It was really nice. So they they were gonna go under but someone bought them out. And Leo uses an owl cam. He loves it. So

I really liked the camera we use Yeah,

I I'm thinking with my daughter driving. No, I'm putting a dashcam in the car. And I think about going into that just because the clips are more accessible. Yeah, because this one you got to take the card out. You got to bring it inside. And I mean, I know bougie right. firstworldproblems. But I mean, in today's day and age, I can't believe Vantrue hasn't come out with something like that. There. They still have it. Yeah, it's still just a standard by SD card. No app, so

Well, you know, maybe they're working on it.

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oh the downgrade a little bit. But yeah, check it out. If you haven't used upside I don't know why I've saved or I've earned about $90 for the lifetime and it's not gas is not going down anytime soon. And soon enough I'll be crying every time I go to the pump but I'll be using upside be in saving money but I just can't get the extra bonus but download the app.

Are you gonna get the movies card?

I have the moves card.

But are you going to have it set up so money comes into the movies

guy? I got to try Yeah, I'll have that least some some of the money go in there. It's weird, right? Because you know Amazon gives me quite a bit of money back for gas and then I can go get upside or it's used to be good upside. It's just upside down that he can use upside and save any more. So like you No moves is great. They do offer the stock I know you're using it to and I probably will buy pipe and we'll put all my money into it. I guess that's what I'm saying.

But you also have many buckets. So just to some of your pockets into moves and all the books.

Yeah. So when I use when I do Amazon, it only goes to that Amazon card. I put nothing else on there. So I would do like Amazon for every for that card and I would put everything else on the moves card.

Well, that makes sense. Yeah. So everything goes to my moves card right now. And you know, it's not a ton. But I do like it and I can go into the the ATMs and at Walgreens use those for free. Yeah, but

do you ever use cash? I mean, why would you even guess the only way

to get the out? That's the thing, because you can't connect it to your bank. Oh, I

think you can do it through Venmo. No, I know. I don't want to Oh, you don't want to mess around with that.

I hate Venmo I don't really Yeah, it's I don't I'm not a big fan of

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Well, exactly. And but then still use the promo because then you get 50 cent off the first five gallon.

If you're only if you're a new user. No,

I know. I know. That's yeah, so you get 25% and 20% off but then you also get 20 votes sent out for using the gas

shit. Where's Glenn? 449 and then cheese and then 509 last week? He's got to be in California or somewhere West.

That's yeah, good. Where are you at? We've

been at like, what? 375? Yes, maybe you got an early jump for it. Maybe that's why if you're at 449 Maybe that's why I

think I was 389 earlier this week. Okay, I don't know some

anyways. So the next couple of videos have nothing to do with gig work, but I definitely want to display it and it's just disgusting. So this next one is a glimpse at Vega Saygus This is an Uber driver that spits in a mailbox.

Don't be like this uber driver or sorry UPS worker.

Yeah, this will be I will play it twice because it's short just so you get it all you know, he says something too, and I think it was I think it was anti gay. Oh yeah. I think he said somebody had said in the comments I don't know exactly what

the video he says the driver sees my pride flag and yes, but

first of all my ex here I'm bragging about UPS earlier right you know what I mean? Like they're great to work for they're all the workers are great. Whatever. What everyone has a camera on their porch? Every one okay?

I mean, my assumption is that the driver doesn't have a job anymore. Oh

100% fired right and if the Union now they are union if the union supports that they're they're full

of shit. Oh, no, they are. He's gonna be out. Yeah, that's crazy.

Like, I wouldn't say every house I have it but like, I've hang invoices every day like today I did 42 stops

this guy obviously had two cameras. He had the ring cam and there was another cam Yeah, I mean, I got two cameras on two different sides.

Gary he might be more delightful yet AC Oh, stop it he's just a bigot.

Yes. He needed to lose Yeah, I'm

sure he will. This next one is just kind of funny. I think it is a UPS driver too. But it's a dog yes dog tears this guy Oh just a happy happy happy big guy or just the dog or just happy happy happy to have big guy good oh to have good Amazon packaging there. I mean the dog was barely apparently that towards the end you saw the owner come out so she was okay with it. Or he was okay with

that dog just so funny. Yeah,

well look at the packaging on and like he was able to get that open ever get some boxes in there like just barely taped together. When

there's all this holds the items inside is just barely protected. It's like yeah,

sometimes it's over protected. Sometimes it's not. I swear

I got it was like a little battery. In the box. That was like this bag. Right? It was putting in a little padded padded mailer or something like that. Yeah, don't put

somebody screwed up on that one. They just got lazy. They ran out. They ran out of plastic mailers and they just had a box. They're like, I'm too tired. I'm not going to get plastic. It's gonna but

I thought it was automatic. I thought that the computer gives them the package to put it in.

Have you seen the tic tac videos when people like you legally posted their videos because Amazon stripped down phones you can not have your phone out, okay? And he sits at a conveyor and he, they pack the items come to them automatically. They just pull it, they pull it put in the box, put the tape on and ship it down. It's not automatic. Not yet. It should be. But it'd be weird though, because you would think it'd be automatic to like box it up, but like to pull the actual item. I mean, a robot's not going to have the dexterity to get everything you know, I'm saying no, but

this should be it should be automatic what size box to you.

Oh, I'm sure that is I'm sure he should know it pops up what he should use and he probably just

what I'm what I'm saying is on on the conveyor, it just send him the box first. And then the items. box and then the items. Yeah, so it's fully automatic.

I don't know. I'd love to go in there to see how it works. But I'm afraid they put me to work. Right here up. I'm Sherry says dog might not have done that. If the UPS guy had AC? Oh, my gosh. Have those articles up, buddy? No, no,

it's because I didn't have it.

I know we I change on the fly. We got it so fast. We got 10 minutes.

Economy is here to stay adapting to new employee expectations. This is kind of interesting. We talked about this a couple of times. Basically, it's an article from Forbes. But the whole the whole idea is that because the gig economy is here to stay, and it's changing how people are working. This is bringing some new requirements, if you will, the for the employees they need to start they need to change and adapt their ways to keep the employees Yeah, so many workers are thinking about adding additional training security new and diverse revenue streams or even strategically pivoting their careers entirely. It's undeniably that the job market has changed globally following the pandemic. But it's interesting to see how it sets the stage for what's next. And he goes on to basically saying that lots of people are changing jobs all the time. Yeah, obviously the pandemic of bringing a lot more the whole people working from home, that kind of stuff. You know, you don't have to be in the office all the time. People love to stay home for many different reasons, right? It's the I want

to stay home and not work. No, but I mean, people

like to work from home. Imagine some of the big cities where they used to sit 2535 minutes talking traffic. Right? You don't have to do that anymore. Yeah. So it's just that there's been unprecedent number of exits, and the way people want to and will work is forever transformed. Basically this guy, he went to a bunch of different conferences, talking about what is what is changing. And he just saw a lot of things change. That's kind of cool. The trends, I'm watching the most closely I the gig economy and the micro workers what they're talking about. also encouraged by the tremendous opportunities, the new labor market presents for new commerce. For the first time in history, employment terms and conditions are for the most part in the hands of the employee, and not the employer. Do you agree with that, um, in some, in some situations, because the labor shortage is extreme, and companies have operated remotely with Lena train teams for the last few years, employees just don't want to go back to the conduct of living to work, rather skilled workers in 2022. And beyond I in many cases embracing a work to live mentality. Yeah. And that is actually true. And I think that is very cool. So again, it's just talking about the fact that everything is changing. Yeah, the employers has to change with them. And it's no longer all about the money. It's actually the employees. So thinking more, it's more, there's other ways of being compensated.

Yeah. Not only that, my son is 25. And it's just the mentality of that younger age. He doesn't like, kill himself at work. He just wants to work so that he can do his fun stuff. You know, he's not living there. He's doing whatever he's required to do. But it's, it's not like he's like, you know, back in the day was like, Oh, you got to do this for loyalty and blah, blah, blah, and work 60 hours a week. Kids nowadays, you know, I mean, he's a kid, he's a young man. They're like, No, I'm working because I like to do he's an airplane mechanic. He likes to work, but he wants to go camping and hiking and he wants to go do fun things with his friends and stuff like that, you know, instead of working like,

so what your 40 hours Yeah, put your time in, and then do other things. So there's a scenario that bring over though it's kind of interesting, I just put in a few more minutes. A highly qualified nurse applies to teach at a class at a career college they are by far the best match from an experience and fit perspective, but have secondary careers and young children not yet in school. Being a part time educator, help them manage the high stress and volume of requirements in the personal care industry while focusing on other areas of their lives. So instead of having to be a full time educator, they want to do it part time and get paid per hour. Project per things they teach.

So the school wins out because they're not paying Benny's or anything for a full time teacher, and the teacher works out because they're getting excellent. They

say I could automatically dismiss this highly qualified persons, since they have other work and obligations, you know, I want something full time. But if I choose to consider them and empower them, I'm likely to see better performance, higher engagement, and J and retain them as a result. Yeah. So again, it's a different way from the for the employer to look at it, you know, it, yes, it's going to be more difficult for you to manage. And you have to mind it's multiple employees instead of one. But you're gonna have stopped thinking that way.

Yeah, Glenn had saying, you know, they've been trying to, you know, basically fit a square into a circle. And I'll analogy. And that makes sense. But I think the reason that's still going on is because there's old old guard in these companies, no, get your aspect to where you better put the ad hours, and you better do this or like, and they're like, no

fucking, but you know what, those people are dying out. They are eventually they are dying out. And, you know, whoever takes over the companies, if the companies don't die as well, right? Well, it takes over those companies are going to have the new way of thinking, because that's how it's going to have to be Yeah, yeah. It's just an interesting article. I

like working from home. Do you like it a lot better? I mean, I know you're not.

I'm actually a lot more effective. Oh, of course. And that one I used to use on transport. Transportation

is lost. I mean, you gain it back. Right. I

don't have to. I can just, you know, my it takes me like two minutes to get to work. Right. Yeah. Because I walked down my basement stairs.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. And then you're not taking an hour lunch, you know, you're just eating, you know, 15 minutes.

But that that is something that I think that we then have to learn. That is don't I mean, because I'm bad at it. Right? Eat while you're working? Yeah, you shouldn't do that. No, no, you should. You should give your brain that break. And this is some of the things that the employers have to now teach you right. For the work at home people. Yeah. Is that, okay? We need to figure out these rules so that we build into it, to make sure that you people get a good break,

right. Yeah, you do need a break from it. That's for sure. I struggle with that when I'm working on podcasting stuff, just to step away for a little bit.

One thing about working from home, Glenn says there is no time to decompress from the stress of work. Well, that's why you go for a walk. Right? Or you figure out how to decompress still Glenn, right. I mean, yeah. Again, do the walk, or, you know, sit down and do something else. You're right. Normally, you would do that in, in the in the transportation. Yeah, but that can be stressful to know. I know. I know. But here's the other thing from the employees perspective, the employee had to pay for the transportation himself. Right. Right. Both to gas to the car pay for your car, and the time it takes you to get there.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, if you need a break, just take your pants off. Or your underwear. Okay. No, not that kind of break this and all right. patreon.com/con podcast, patreon.com/the gig economy podcast, we'll be podcasting in about 15 minutes or so. Yes, for as long winded. So we'll be a little bit later than I initially expected. But we'd love for you to join us. You got two podcasts a month tonight. It's going to be yes. For me. You get a piece of merch and then you get the $5 tier you get pre show banter. And the $10 tier you get the merch and the extra podcast a month and yada yada yada. So I think I owe Omar a t shirt. So, and I owe Larry a t shirt too. So so check it out. patreon.com/the Gig econ podcast. Yep. Let's see. Let's do the drug news guy says one other one. And this

sounds good. So some overdrive is a word that they're being used as drug mules. Obviously, this is only in the markets that has the Uber Connect. Is that what they call it? So

connect the freight? Yes, Uber connect

the Uber connect drivers have raised concerns about drugs potentially being transported via the service. So yeah, they call it they used to call it Uber freight and is now called Uber connects up. Some Uber drivers are reportedly worried that they are unknowingly delivering drugs via Uber connect the company's courier service six drivers from the US and Australia told NBC News that hang on. They were concerned that customers were using them as drug mules. So one driver told news he took a packet to police station after he was given an almost empty plastic bag. All I could see inside was one little baggie there to crystallize forms in there. The driver told the outlet immediately assume there was some kind of narcotic birth. The driver took the suspicious tickets to the police, according to the news, but said he was nervous as the customer would could track him on the Uber app. I had my head on a swivel because this person can see that I've diverted from the route and the If they know the area, which isn't very far from the house, they can see I'm sitting outside the substation. And it's true, but that is true. But it's over. We're habits customers, we're using the service today to deliver illegal items, alcohol, medication, and or recreational drugs per company website. However, puzzles are also required to be securely sealed and drivers forbidden from opening or looking inside packages. So that being said, You mean yeah, in this case? Yeah, it was a it was an empty plastic bag. Right. Right. Right. And see through pass through pack, just pack it right. I

mean, yeah. I mean, there's so many you could, you could move so much drugs with a lot of these apps if you really take curry. I mean, you

would, who's to say you're not moving drugs to the USPS? I'm sorry.

Yeah, I mean, you can you can, but they have dogs and scanners and bakery is like I go to Sherwin Williams, I pick up some paint. How do I know the guy didn't pack it with math paper? I mean, there's really no way but you could really move some move some drugs. I've been listened to a podcast about a guy that was a dentist and was a big coke dealer. And no one even knew like just it's just in my mind. I'm thinking of all the ways I could make absolute do coke. But then I don't want to go to prison either. So

and we don't have Google connecting all my good, but again, if I hadn't ever packages

an Uber, yeah, you do. I don't know. But we don't have to connect. I don't think it's connect not the freight one. But I mean, Uber you can deliver packages

through brochure. Yeah, send the packets. Well, yeah.

Last one Uber driver sparks debate about exposing a married customers affair. I'm gonna play this. And then we'll talk about it.

Alright, listen up all you cheaters. If you live in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and you ever need a Lyft or an Uber and you get in my car before warned if you ever pull this kind of shift that this guy pulled today, you got the same thing coming. Today I picked up a guy, his wife and his kids walked him out to the to the car said I love you daddy, blah, blah, blah. So he gets in, he says Hi, he goes, I added a stop. I said I saw that. So we go and we pull up at the stop and this lady comes out. She's got a little bit of luggage, like a handbag and a tote small tote. She gets in and she's like, I'm so glad you finally got away from your damn life. Okay, so then he kisses her and it wasn't a Hi, how you doing kind of kiss. And so he goes, I changed our drop off location. I said I saw that. I didn't know exactly where it was that they were going at that particular time. I just saw that it had an update. So they continued to talk and this that the other and she says you know I'm tardy you put me off, when are you going to leave? And he said, You know, I've got some things I've got to take care of, you know, let's talk about this later. Bla bla bla bla bla bla, keep in mind I was about five miles from his house. So understand something, this is my car, I work for myself. I am an independent contractor. If I choose to enjoy a ride, it's my choice. Uber is not going to fire me. Uber is not going to ban me Uber is not going to get rid of me or they might fire you. If you were doing something crappy in my car, I have the right to handle it however I see fit. Well, he things didn't turn out so well for him. I took him back to his house. I drove up and made him and her get out of my car at his home where his wife and his kids were. There was no other way this was gonna go on. There is nothing worse than a dog. I don't give a fuck if you're female or you're a male. Pull some shit like that in my car and you're gonna get done like that. Karma is a motherfucker be better people do better in life. It didn't end well for him today, I'm sure because both of them had their baggage. And both of them were standing in his front yard when I left. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And I hope you see this piece of shit.

Okay, Glenn thinks it's fake. But I really looked at her eyes like it. It didn't look fake. Like that's a really good story because she didn't fumble her story at all.

And it does. My my only thing that I'm thinking about okay, and yes, he's absolutely an ass. I mean, if let's say this story is true. Yeah, he's absolutely an ass. Okay. What I don't like is this puts the kids in the middle of it. Yeah. And I don't like that. And I don't know how to handle it differently. And I'm not saying she did something wrong. But don't do it in front of the

right thing. Honestly, if you really want to expose them, you take him to his destination and you drive back into this house and talk to the mom privately say,

hey, let's look at this camera footage. Yeah, deal with it when you can. Yeah, yes. Yeah. So that's what that would have been a way of doing it. Right. Don't put the kids in the middle of it. That's what I hate. But he was an ass. He shouldn't have done that. Of course. I mean, that's not a man. I mean, no, he was not a man. But no.

Yeah, it I don't know. Glenn thinks it's BS. I don't know. Usually. Yes, sir. is the one that says that the stuffs been,

you know, I agree with you Jason it could be it could be real. I mean,

it could be fake too. I'll I look at stuff and I'm like, it seems real to me I always look at it with a stink eye but it seems real to me. I mean, I didn't spend like 30 minutes on her page but I saw she was talking about it a lot so

but either way fake or real don't do some shit like that. Yeah, no, that's no way you're not a man like that. I'm sorry.

Yeah, there's really no way to prove it either. Like if it is fake, there's no way for anyone to sniff it out other than if someone catches her some weird way they she starts talking shit about it but but cheating

is just I mean obviously wrong. respect respect your other party enough of course to walk away.

That's besides the point. Yeah, yeah. All right, guys. Thank you guys so much for listening to the gig economy podcast. We will be on Patreon in about five to seven minutes if you want to join us there. We're just going to probably talk about some of the other stories that we didn't quite get to. If you go to patreon

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Hey, guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast episode 120 Thank you so much for joining us. I love you all yesterday loves you sometimes.

I love them more than you. That's fair. Okay.

Yes for a complaint earlier that he has to start wearing pants

i and it's cold I

told him he was welcome to wear no pants if you wanted to in the studio, but he declined everything gig economy relating go to gig economy show.com You can download the podcasts you can check out our merch, all that fun stuff. Yeah, really appreciate you guys want to announce the winner of the giveaway from the picnic. We did do the drawing for that. And there are three prizes. There's a $50 Amazon card, a t shirt and a sticker pack slash keychain slash or retro sticker from back in the day when we're old school all that fun stuff. So old school, old school. So real quick, the winner of the $50 is

John from North Carolina Yeah. John $50 in no John we cannot take that $50 Putting your gambling account.

I was taking the exam I was trying to

figure out the rocket game and I'm like no one's gonna know the rocky game like

we could just put it give me tournament like a Draft Draft Draft Kings.

If you want to if you want to listen to that little inside joke check out the I can I can complain podcast and look up when he was in West Michigan for that. Alright, second play had a lot of fun with that though. Yeah, I've won some money on there. I'm like 150

I must admit I have unfortunately also signed up for it. But I am I'm down just a little bit. I'm not gonna do anymore. Oh, sure.

All right. Second place for a gig economy podcast t shirt is. Kathy, Kathy, you know Kathy is no, it's Larry's wife. I knew they que les Larry once again got me podcast t shirt.

Do they come in female we give them a female size for

Kathy. Yeah, but I think Cathy probably doesn't want it. She's probably gonna give me one. I can get her a female if she wants it. But um, I guess Larry does add third place for the amazing sticker pack retro and real time and a keychain goes to Leonardo da Vinci Leo from Detroit. Oh, you won. Yay. Thanks, guys, for coming in.

You have to put them on your Tesla.

Yes. Well, the one sticker is really small. So you could put it on anywhere and no one would even see it. But But yeah, I will reach out to y'all get your email, stuff like that. So thanks for coming to the picnic. We really appreciate it. Just real quick mention the Patreon members Keith from Indiana Larry from Bowling Green Sampson from Grand Rapids. Steve from Colorado. Chris from Grand Rapids. James from Fort Collins. Bud from North Carolina. Tom Kelly from Houston and Omar from Detroit. There's a telegram group. I love you to join it so you can chat about gig work or whatever

we need to get to chatter going again. Yeah,

we need to get Gary in there. You can check that out. And in the link in the description. We'd love for you to join. And then of course our friend Steve from rideshare. Rodeo check his show out rideshare rodeo.com. And then we are the radio show even though last time we we said we were going to be there we weren't because of the picnic. But I'm going to be there this Friday. So you really want to last Friday. Yeah, no. from seven to nine at TNC Radio dot live. I will be on this week seven to nine Eastern. Yeah, I'm spot so yeah. And so yeah, yes, spur. Do you have any stories from the road? Yeah, I know. You drove a little bit I do.

I do. But I do want to talk about one thing quickly. First, you got brought up the the telegram group. Yeah. And so I wanted to just say a little bit back in the days before the pandemic, okay, that was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. But that was kind of its kind of now we talked we were not talking about before Christ and after Christ. Now we were talking before pandemic and after pandemic. You know, the new child.

It's things that happened in the world because it was 911 Post 911 For the longest time.

So now is pre pre pandemic post pandemic anyways. So we used to actually we had we had, I would say we had 50 us was active in the group. And I think we had like 20 That was really active.

Yeah, you know, especially when we were all doing the bar scene at night.

But the way we were using it was when we were all driving, we would we would announce ourselves, we were saying, you know, we are here, whatever. And then in between, right, we would listen to it. And we would go into right now. And I think the telegram group is having a little bit of struggles right now. It's just, it's, it's changing a little bit. I think.

No one's driving the bar scene anymore.

Well, but no one has. I mean, that's not true that completely because when I'm out there, people are driving, I met in our current grind, right. But what I need people to do, again, if you aren't in telegram group, please go back to that. announce yourself, check in, you know, a few times during the night and kind of listen to get the chatter going again, because it is part of it to kind of check in Yeah, how was it that and if you used to be a group on it, and you're not on a gun, join again? Because we want you back?

Yeah. How was the chatter that when you work the bar scene, it was just so there

was none? No, you we announce ourselves, but then we don't really say much, you I know. It's just me and a couple other people

that's out there. Like I was just saying it was it, Chris.

So Chris is often there. Yeah. Awesome. Friday. And then it's usually Matt. And then and then Chicago. Tom? No, no, I forget his name. I apologize.

Chicago, I'm

always bad with names. The

only one we know from Chicago is Tom. Tom. Maybe it was Tom. He doesn't get on very much. He only drives during the day.

Anyways, he's been on a couple of times. But anyways, so but it was quiet. Let's fight. Yeah, but Alessandra when I drove, but I did drive eight hours, and I did average. $28 an hour.

Okay. So it was not bad. How was the drunks? So I

must say wasn't bad. But, but there was busy. I mean, I was bumper to hours. Right, right. Right, right. Yeah. I mean, I had, there was about 20 minutes while there was like I was just, there was no right and tire went offline. Around nine o'clock. Okay. But other than that, it was I went out at 656 30. And I drove till 215.

Somebody said that the new pricing plan has come around to Grand Rapids. I have I saw a post about it, but only one post the trip radar and all that other stuff. I have

not seen it yet. Yeah, I've not seen it. But I am seeing more and more requests for pins. So weird. I am. It's all I mean, I gotta had a couple of against last Saturday.

I wonder. It's got to be set up by the user. Then.

Once again, this was not this was not last time I go. But there was one time where I asked for the pin and usually didn't know about it. He had to go into his app and see the pin. Oh, yeah, it's 1234. So I

don't know. So maybe the user isn't setting it up. I

don't know. But yeah, so that it's an interesting part of that. But definitely that happened. But that was a fun story from Saturday. Oh, this was just this one. Not that fun. But anyways, this is the second time it's happened to me in the many years I've driven okay, I took the same party out and back the same really the same night. Yeah, that happened to me once before. Pre pandemic, and then they actually happened again this time. And, and they noticed it before I noticed them. Oh, yeah. Like it? Yes. Again,

you feel that? That's because they're just not a ton of drivers.

They were all saying it was extremely difficult to get large vehicles. Oh, and again, I must admit, when I'm out driving, I'm confident XL only I don't drive any x if you're busy. Why not? Right. And I was I mean, I literally was, I would get a ride and I within a few minutes of me dropping off, I get another ride, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, head all the time. Nice.

So how are the tips?

So last time about? I want to say how can I say this? Well, how many

percentage of what so I was

about 25% of my total earnings was tip. Okay, so maybe 20% or 20%. My total earnings was tips. So not bad. Yeah.

Not great, but not bad. No, I

mean, but again, I generally you get three, four or $5 tip every time. Really? That's what I would get. Yeah, three or four every time well, not every day, if they tip it.

That's not 25% No, no, no, but

if they tip it's a three, four or $5 tip. So I'm wondering if they change the tears? I don't know.

question that people want to know. Are you going to bring back your tablet karaoke slash music? boombox, so

I've actually thought about it. Yeah. And the reason why I could do it before was because I had my in car service from Verizon. Actually, I actually had I had Wi Fi in my car. Okay, now I do have an unlimited phone plan now and so and I can I can have my hotspot, I can have my hotspot. And the problem with that is it's going to drain my battery faster than I can take it. So right now I, I'm trying to figure out how to do it. Okay. And again, if I sign up for that service again with I mean, I have to drive a little bit more than I'm doing right now before it's worth it. Yeah, to sign up for another Verizon plan. Yeah, but I mean, if I turned that back on, I will

watch how much extra is an additional hotspot like 15 bucks a month or

$10 for a device a month. Oh, no, it's not. But I still have to buy the device. Because the device I have right now is too old to not working anymore. Yeah. Yeah,

it's too old.

I know two years old. Right. So now I mean, I guess possibly could work. I don't know. It's one of those. What are they called? You put a I put it in your dongle. Or you know, or your OBS? Yeah, goes into OBS. And then okay, it connects the eyes and then it becomes a Wi Fi hotspot for the Yeah, I

feel like new cars probably have Wi Fi built into them now. I mean, you have to pay for the service. Sure. Yeah.

I mean, if I, you know, we're thinking about possibly getting a new vehicle. But you know, you've been talking about that for a year. I know. Right. But right now the van is driving pretty well. I had I had an incident last week where I thought maybe there was something going on, but the mechanic I brought it through he actually thought that if we just have a spout of bad gas and it happened to habits you put some Yep. I didn't clean it right clean right up. So I put in some gas cleaner and little like, fought all you put in thick gas tank and then yeah, but it stopped. I

think it's your 85 I think it's garbage fuel.

I don't know Michelle never put the 85 in and she was the one who has to gas. Oh, well. We put we go back and forth. Anyways. You're blaming your wife. I see how it does. No, no, no, I'm not blaming. She's just the one who put gas in the van last.

I'm pulling this clip. It's coming to you. All right.

I'm not blaming Michelle. She didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah. Jerry asked about the pin. Yeah, we don't know. We were just talking about that. We're not sure why I can see I thought when they were doing it for Uber Eats is because people were claiming it to get their food. So that's pretty, surefire way to well, you gave the pen.

The first one I saw with them Jerry was was the first two I saw a both visitors from Chicago. So that felt like it was something that turned on more in some of the bigger cities first. And it is definitely for security reasons to ensure that whoever ordered the ride is the one who gets in your car.

I mean, if I had if I was younger, and a bunch of Bros and that kind of like someone stole a ride once I would want a pin on there every single time like no fucker, like, take in mind. So

the process is pretty cool. Because the moment they get in the car and I say accept the ride, it comes right up. Give me your drivers pay, you write us pin. Okay. And then until you put the pin in, it won't stop the ride.

Okay. So I think it's a good safety feature.

It is it is but you don't have to have it on. I mean, it doesn't. It's not on on everybody. Right? So yeah,

it's just weird that the guy didn't know about it unless he just was bullshitting. But anyways, jumping into gig economy news. This is a little bit of old news. Obviously, we podcasts every two weeks, but we were investing in breach of his computer systems. They were hacked. And I think Rockstar Games was hacked to it. This is a little bit older article but weeks ago, yeah. said surely before this. So Uber employees were instructed not to use company's internal messaging system slack found that other internal systems are inaccessible to employees who are not authorized to speak shortly before before slack system was taken offline Thursday afternoon, Uber employees receiving messages that read I announce I am a hacker and Uber has suffered a data breach right message went on the list several internal databases.

Did you see in the article, they write the method how they did it?

Yeah, I got that highlighted, says the person who claimed responsibility for the hack told The New York Times that he had sent a text message to an Uber worker claiming to be a corporate information technology person. The worker was persuaded to hand over a password that allowed the hacker to gain access to the system, a technique known known as social engineering. I mean, come on, dude, why? We do?

It happens every day. It does. This is why this is why we have all the messages about you know, Uber will never contact you. Yeah, Uber will never send you a text asking you for your password. It will not happen.

Well that Uber employees now fired I'm sure. Gary said the guy's name is teapot and they caught him. Yeah, I knew I knew that they had caught him. I couldn't remember his name. Yep. But how how is it that you? What did he say? I'd love to see the text six. To change how he was able to persuade him to give him a password?

Well, it's just, if it's somebody who doesn't really know what, you know, all that, stuff like that, it can be easy to think, Hey, I'm trying to get access to a system. Can you just give me

I wonder, I wonder if teapot mask a number of another boy. So that's why he felt comfortable giving it up. But there's got to be a protocol for that. Yeah, I'm sure there is but he didn't follow it. So and then, the hacker who provided screenshots of eternal Uber systems to demonstrate his access that said that he was 18 years old and had been working on cybersecurity skills for several years. He said he had broken into Ubers system because the company had weak security in the Slack message that announced the breach. The person also said Uber drivers should receive higher pay. I thought that

was maybe he's the driver.

Gary said you should not work in it if you fall for this. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like they need some, some thicker level.

I think the problem is, nobody cares about security. That's the real problem. Nobody. Nobody cares about passwords. I mean, it's just one of those things that for the most for most people. It's just something that gets in the way. They don't it's yeah, it's not gonna happen to me. That's that's the attitude. Well, yeah, that's about it.

Well, I think we all get complacent, right? Even me. I mean, unfortunately, I probably have a ton of accounts out there that have the same effing password, right? And what trick or treat one of these days I'm gonna get stopped.

This is why people need on the companies need to invest in biometric passwords and bad biometric methods. That's what we need to go to.

Well, before we even get to that it's two factor authentication. Like I get my Twitter account tried to hack on a weekly basis. Overnight, I'll get a request for a pen. And it's like, well, they can't get it because I you know, so I think they need to start there. Glenn says the employee was a high ranking employee not a low on the totem pole. That even makes it worse.

Unless maybe makes it easier because he probably doesn't. Oh, he him insecurity. Yeah, he probably has an assistant that does all this shit for Yeah, she made me that's what he wants, hey, store or whatever. Yeah, get the passwords.

I would never sent them. No, that's that's a lie. I've sent you many passwords over telegram. But I mean, it's yes. For and I it's not like this huge company, trying to get into our company. But yeah, that's crazy. By the

way, it brings up a good point, right? If you have the ability to turn on MFA, then do it. Multifactor. Yeah, you should definitely have it on. And and

yeah, why don't almost I mean, the main apps I use have them, but a lot of them don't like, I mean, Gmail plays. And it should be mandatory.

So Gmail is actually gonna it's gonna become mandatory right now. That's the thing that they're going to be within the next six months. I believe that if you're using professional Gmail services, okay, MFA is going to be required. It should be.

It saves them a hassle. It's a hassle. I mean, yes. Is it annoying to put a six digit code in? Yes, it is. But we all have our phone right here. And especially if you, if you have a Mac and an iPhone, the text comes on your computer, you literally can just copy and paste and put it in there.

A lot of the a lot of the on your phone, you don't even have to copy and paste anymore. The app actually reads the text for you.

Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't do that on Android. Okay, I didn't know that. But it has to be set up. Correct. That's, that's the kicker. I just, I did just buy a new phone. Finally. And I Oh, my battery only went down to 70% instead of 2%. On a daily basis. But anyways, I noticed in this new software, it's asking me if okay to paste in some of these apps. Apple's asking me I want to shut that off. I'm like, if I copied a paste and paste it in there, why are you asking me Can Can Gmail paste this in? Or whatever? I'm like, I don't know. It wasn't on that on my old phone. I'm

sure it's a new new thing of the new Apple software. It could be

but I had the new Apple software in my old phone. And it didn't do that. I don't know. It's annoying. But anyways, I guess it's a safety thing. But whatever.

I don't use it. I use Max because Max sucks.

being complacent. I'm like, This is annoying. This cost I mean, oh, sure. But I mean, if I'm copying and pasting something, like I have my phone. It doesn't mean I don't know. It's annoying.

But I mean, at the same time, though, I'm annoyed because I just got the new pixel six. I'm a pixel guy, your iPhone guy, it's fine. But I got the new pixel six and they moved the finger. The finger scanner from the back to actually on on the screen itself now, and it sucks. Not nearly as good and I have a screen protector on Oh, and it's not it doesn't work half the time it was a face. It doesn't. They took away the face. There is no face on the new new Android they have they have temporarily removed face to face login because it's for some reason. And

so Android supposedly better than Apple and a brand new phone they took away face.

It's not the phone. It's because it's in the software. It's yeah either

way. It's Google software,

but it's bad disabled.

That's terrible. You got to be a peasant and actually enter your password. All right, moving on. So we've talked about the robot deliveries. This one is fun. This one is it is a little bit lengthy. I, I probably didn't even watch the whole thing, but you'll get the gist of it. He's traveling on a road and he comes across a crime scene and we'll just watch what happens but yeah, basically, the guy lifts the news guy lifts the crime scene tape up and he's just going across I don't know what kind of crime it is. But yeah, just do all your picks up speed. That's strange. I didn't watch the whole thing. The gig economy podcast We'll be back after a quick break.

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but that's an AI driven cars right you think so? I don't know man

look at all the cops look at it that's funny it's still sitting there I wonder what's going on? Well clearly the crime is over but look out look at all those scooters yeah I'm just everywhere all their Latinum through still going crazy

in the video if you can hear the video they actually right now they're talking about like the like the the cameraman was like this is like this should be the easiest way of doing a bombing. Yeah, like a bomb on that Condor

if you guys want to join Patreon tonight we are actually going to do a live after the show right away we'll like five minutes after so if you want to join Patreon let me get the link here and I will share it I would love for you to come on with us normally we just do an interview and but tonight yesterday we're just gonna shoot the shit probably bitch about the board not working or whatever but

that's apparently what we're gonna be talking about now. Yeah. All right, moving

on. Now that we know our board a little janky another video and if this sound doesn't work on this one, but we're skipping it because you need to hear it. This is actually about an Amazon electric van and I nerd out on this shit like it's by rivian Right? What are its rivian or riviana

whatever to play the video.

Don't tell me what to do. I'm trying to set it up. Sorry set it out. No too late please. I got I'm playing it now if this doesn't work I'm gonna throw the board out the window.

Sorry guys see?

What is up guys right behind me is Amazon's new delivery van. So that may not seem like a big deal until you read powered by rivian. That means this man is 100% Electric Amazon wanted it to look as friendly as possible which it does. Well. My favorite part is the little smile in the headlight. Your grab handles are primed blue. You have a built in seat for trainees. You have a built in cup holder and even my seat belts are primed blue. Inside you get this giant heated windshield you have storage space right there grab handles is powered by rivian storage behind they're the same screens in the Caribbean truck and SUV with no CarPlay or Android Auto you have a digital Driving Display storage behind your seat with cupholders But it gets even cooler so the driver's seat is raised so that way when I turn to get out it's less stress on my hips. Plus when I put the car into park it does this oh it gets cold your steering wheels heated Your seat is heated and ventilated and even your train nisi is heated the drivers even get this really cool key that clips onto your shirt and now instead of the loud beeping this plays white noise whenever it reverses.

That's worse.

To make sure this is super visible the entire back is prime blue you have these really cool LED lights to go all the way around and you have a button here that opens your rear door and the flow is well thought out for the drivers they put it into Park hit the hazard button grab the phone out of your wireless charging pad. Go back here grab Have the package and deliver.

I'm so I mean like, sign me up to work for Amazon. That seems so fun.

I know you're gonna get paid. I just want to drive it. Yeah. Can I?

Can I just do it for one day and Jerry says better vehicle than ups? Yeah UPS is their vehicles are old, old old they have like it's kind of like Bluetooth technology for outdoors but 20 on that van was sweet

it is it is. But it's there's going to come more for UPS USPS as well. They're gonna get better via UPS.

I am telling you. They, you know, they barely got rid of the manual transmission, right? I mean, there's still man in the Grand Rapids shot or branch. They're still manual transmission trucks in there.

Right? Well, it'd be a long time. And USPS is so much on the struggle bus. It's crazy. Yeah, I actually ran into I went, I happen to be at all the last Sunday because you know, shopping whatever. And there was a USPS driver. He was out delivering mostly he said, it's mostly Amazon packages. Yeah. Because they're struggling so much getting drivers apparently. Yeah.

I mean, they they got it. They just don't treat their drivers. Well.

I mean, that's the thing, too. And they don't they don't treat any of their employees. Well, right. I mean,

yeah. Gary says the UPS or FedEx, they don't even have AC Yeah, UPS doesn't have AC. I mean, you got a little fan. It's not that

little fan pitches. But again, that's only in Michigan is only a problem for three months in the out of the year. Yeah,

I mean, it's not bad. I mean, they get to wear shorts and short sleeves. So they're fine. But I say

that, but I wouldn't want to do it in Arizona.

No, no, it'd be hot. Well, what's interesting about ups to is at least in the Grand Rapids area, or Michigan, they start at about 9am. So you can't even start it early when the heats not so bad. I mean, you got to wait for them to finish pack in your truck. So right, right, right. But yeah, I love that van so much. I watched that video like four times on Tik Tok. I was like, this is the sweetest van ever.

So tell me one thing. Why isn't ups and USPS for that matter? And FedEx? Why are they not moving towards the flex model?

So UPS does. So they do during seasonal, you can be a gig worker. But the only caveat is you have to be committed to a shift. Sure. So you have to like you get to use your own car. It's actually a huge moneymaker. Use your own car and they pay you mileage. Right. And you can write it off. There you go. It's it's a big moneymaker. And I think they pay like 2530 bucks an hour. But you're using your own car. Right. But you have to be there Monday through Friday. Right? If it worked for somebody, that's great. To me, that doesn't quite feel like a gig work, because you're required to be there.

Right. Right.

But I mean, they, you know, your 1099. Right.

No, and I understand that we talked about that a little bit later in this podcast, because we're talking about a pocket stream, whatever. The federal government is changing that again. But for Amazon, the flex model is pretty successful. Yeah, it is. I mean, I can only see that model growing. And I think it's going to I mean, if I would guess I would I see that growing into USPS or UPS USPS, and to FedEx as well.

Yeah, but Amazon doesn't want to use flex workers, because it cost them way too much money. But why is that? Because they're paying an Amazon driver $15 an hour, they would rather just get more Amazon dryers for 15 bucks an hour instead of paying us $30 an hour. You know, yeah,

that makes sense. But you're not buying Benny you have to buy the by the vehicles, though.

True, but I mean, at the scale that they're purchasing stuff, they're getting that ship for probably half off of what we would pay for a van. That Ruby on the rivian truck is like 90 grand. I mean, what did Amazon pay for that van? Right, you know, 30 grand? I don't know. Probably more than that. Yeah. But I'm just saying

Do you think they're putting putting and putting a person in that van for 15? Paying 15,000 on

the most of them start 15 to 17 an hour? No. That's why they're using flex because you know there has and they kill those guys. They kill them, right? No, I know, you know, at least UPS after like five or six years. You're making six figures, but they're killing ya. Right? I mean, your your you will have bad knees, bad hips and everything, but you'll have a giant salary and a huge pension. Right? But Amazon's nah. Don't work for Amazon, y'all. Unless you're an independent contractor go to UPS. I guarantee you right now. They are hiring drivers off the street. Full time UPS driving. Now there's a lot of hoops to jump through. But once you're in there, I mean, if you're a young guy and you're able it's a good effing job and you like what have your cane Then you're dead. Alright, moving on. I did. I don't know which one killed who did Cain killed Abel or Abel kill Cain.

Moving on.

Oh, you're the one that

started. I don't know that the bottom. All right. Okay, this is the next one. You can just play it. This is about Oupa Midmark mini mart mini mart. Yeah.

So it's Oh, yeah, it is does say Midmark. I don't know. I spelled like an idiot. This is real quick.

The first UberX with a mini Martin saw the first mover with a mini Martin sign.

Now, I liked that. I mean, it looks tacky. He needs to tone it down. But I've always thought about which we've talked about before is selling monsters when we're going out to the bar and selling waters on the way out. I don't know. What do you think about that? I mean, yeah, that looks a little cheesy. But

what the biggest problem is there's no there's there's currently no good way of getting the money.

Yeah, well, Venmo is easy, though. If you put a picture of Venmo on the back of that. They could just scan it. Within seconds, you'd have money in your Venmo account. And it'd be easy because you'd be driving. They'd like yeah, I take a monster they scan it they pay you the five bucks you get notification that comes down. Oh, Baba, bah paid you five bucks.

Oh, there you go. Yeah, I guess I mean, true. That's true.

I don't know. Wasn't there a vending service for a while though?

Can't do though. Legally though. You didn't you have no you have to do sales tax. No.

Hey, bro. What do you work for the IRS? Don't you remember? There was a there was a snack thing going around? Oh, cargo. Yeah, remember? Yeah. And they went under Uber bottom. And then Uber just squashed it or something. It wasn't worth it wasn't what they wanted. And I tried so hard to get one of those. And finally, when I was was going to come to Grand Rapids, and then they nixed it, Uber bought it and then went away.

But I always thought it was a good idea if you could get a model that works. You know, but but it's the whole thing about how do you I mean, we tried so many times, the pandemic

I think it has. And as much as I joke about the sales cycle, I do agree that if it was done by like a Lyft, or an Uber, they would take care all that and then they would wake Sasha caught like you'd get 25% or whatever. But then not only think it would be worth the hassle, if you're selling a $5 monster and you get like 50 cents of it or whatever, like would it be even worth the hassle?

Well, I think the problem it becomes worth it. If you are a full time driver, all this stuff, and that's the thing. It's, we will be where I was only part time drivers is never worth it for me. Right. Right. And again, you have to drive in the bar scene and gotten a drive through time. Sure things Yeah, you're

not selling anything direct drive during the day, maybe?

I mean, not in our area, right.

Well, depending on what you had, if you had headache meds and tampons, and that kind of I mean, I'm just saying for the ladies, you know, they're like shit, I started my period. I need a tampon or whatever. But other than that your your big money time would be nighttime,

right? Yeah. But again, we also tried giving away the free drinks and stuff and none of that. It

never never late. Excellent tip. That's not to say you got to charge him because you're not going to get tipped. Otherwise he might look at your money up front.

Get to somebody's home last Saturday, he goes, I'll hit you in the app, did you? And I just yeah, whatever.

I think I think we you still have your dashcam I do. We should do tiktoks And when somebody says that pull the footage will bleep it out. But you need to say something like No you're not. No you won't. Or you have to be like, not mean but just like, Oh sure. I'll see you when I believe it. And then they get out you know what I mean? Whatever and then and then prove to see if they actually did or not, but that would be a funny tic tac.

Alright, Cain Cain is the murderer apparently according to Tyler Cohen.

Oh, I shouldn't know that. But I don't try the king. Tyler Kade Where are my pictures?

Where are you pictures?

Oh, I don't have very many of those. I was thrown off. Reddit packs off the phone in my car an hour away from me. So lift in I lift said I violated terms by asking for $100 returned it immediately. We'll get back to that. The packs agreed but so when I drove all the way back the packs has $5 and said he's calling the police what the f so I left and kept and kept his phone. Was I wrong? We'll go back to that. Text please let me know a phone was left in your back seat. Please return my call ASAP. Yes, I found a phone I am with a passenger and are great. If you need it right away. It's $100 cash for me to return it right now. Or you can go through the Lyft app and they'll and they set up a return. He says Please come back. Please respond to my text that you agree to pay 100 cash for their turn of the phone and your address please. He agreed. So he says I he's on his way. So couple of problems one are I think he did probably violate terms and conditions by cash because I don't think they say you can ask for cash outside of the app like, you can never ask for cash. Yeah, in general. So he did violate the terms for that. But then he kept his phone. I'm thinking, no, just now you're doing something. Now you're stealing. You met him there, you're just gonna be a dick. Just take the $5 and be like, well then submit it to live and at least get 20. Right? Because they'll say they'll ask you that. Did you return the phone already? And you could say yes. And they'll just build the $15.

Exactly. I mean, that's the thing you take, take a photo of the take a photo of the phone. Yeah. Before I hand it back to them. And then if he doesn't do anything, then you just submit it to where and yeah, get your money. God

says great. I'll be looking for it. I mean, I always said that joke. If you ever get a phone, just open the window and throw it out the out the window. Just chuck it. I mean, you shouldn't do that

we actually had we had a guy in our group who many years ago had somebody to show up in the middle of the night. Yes. At his house with the police to pick up the phone because he didn't turn off the phone. Yes. So the first thing is turn off the phone before you get home. Yeah,

if you want to, like figure out who it is, and you're in the city, that's fine. But yeah, when you drive before you drive home, you turn that damn thing off.

Yes. So yeah, definitely turn turn it off. But yeah, it's it. Yeah, I am. It's happened to me several times. And I always dive back with it. And I always just get the $15

Yeah, I don't ever I'm not going to negotiate that. Like, I'll definitely negotiate it for driving to Detroit like, Well, absolutely. Because then you're not you haven't taken the ride yet. You're like, hey, it's gonna be 100 bucks extra. Do you agree? Yeah. Okay. Pay paid me the 100. And then I'll take the ride. But at least if he doesn't pay me the 100 I'm not going to take the ride. So there's no report of us driving or getting in my car or anything. So but yeah, all Glenn said that was for the tip in the app conference. I'm telling you, I think it'd be a great tic tac like you could just pull those clips will blur it out. It'll be fine. I will just put it on.

I'm gonna have to start looking at it. I have to I have to reset my card anyways, and actually to get format it. I got a format and I really should do a software update on my camera.

I know it's been a while for my two. I

mean, my camera set still for two years before I used to because of the pandemic right. Yeah. So I really should update I'm sure there are updates. There is that but I should get the new camera. That's what I should yeah, yeah. They've what's it called the for?

Leo's got so you remember, I will never our cams. It was really nice. So they they were gonna go under but someone bought them out. And Leo uses an owl cam. He loves it. So

I really liked the camera we use Yeah,

I I'm thinking with my daughter driving. No, I'm putting a dashcam in the car. And I think about going into that just because the clips are more accessible. Yeah, because this one you got to take the card out. You got to bring it inside. And I mean, I know bougie right. firstworldproblems. But I mean, in today's day and age, I can't believe Vantrue hasn't come out with something like that. There. They still have it. Yeah, it's still just a standard by SD card. No app, so

Well, you know, maybe they're working on it.

I mean, get gets to get in. I mean we're we're together. Yeah, guys, upside promo code gig economy. 25 As you saw Hurricane Irene Ida. No, NC I don't I don't remember either. I think it's on the ease is hitting Florida and you saw gas prices jump up to $4.20 I'm sure it's gonna go higher. If you have not used upside. Please download the app in the description. And First Time Users get 50% off 50 cents no 25 cents off a gallon. If you use the promo code gig economy 25 You get an additional 25 cents total of 50 cents off per gallon on your first Philip

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Are you gonna get the movies card?

I have the moves card.

But are you going to have it set up so money comes into the movies

guy? I got to try Yeah, I'll have that least some some of the money go in there. It's weird, right? Because you know Amazon gives me quite a bit of money back for gas and then I can go get upside or it's used to be good upside. It's just upside down that he can use upside and save any more. So like you No moves is great. They do offer the stock I know you're using it to and I probably will buy pipe and we'll put all my money into it. I guess that's what I'm saying.

But you also have many buckets. So just to some of your pockets into moves and all the books.

Yeah. So when I use when I do Amazon, it only goes to that Amazon card. I put nothing else on there. So I would do like Amazon for every for that card and I would put everything else on the moves card.

Well, that makes sense. Yeah. So everything goes to my moves card right now. And you know, it's not a ton. But I do like it and I can go into the the ATMs and at Walgreens use those for free. Yeah, but

do you ever use cash? I mean, why would you even guess the only way

to get the out? That's the thing, because you can't connect it to your bank. Oh, I

think you can do it through Venmo. No, I know. I don't want to Oh, you don't want to mess around with that.

I hate Venmo I don't really Yeah, it's I don't I'm not a big fan of

an old man. Stop. Boomer. Oh, me old. But anyways, please download the app. It really helps out the show when you do that. And if you obviously if you've used it before. Still download the app anyways, even though we don't get points for it. Because why wouldn't you want to save money you can at least click on the link and download it through there. You might not get the promo, but at least it helps us.

Well, exactly. And but then still use the promo because then you get 50 cent off the first five gallon.

If you're only if you're a new user. No,

I know. I know. That's yeah, so you get 25% and 20% off but then you also get 20 votes sent out for using the gas

shit. Where's Glenn? 449 and then cheese and then 509 last week? He's got to be in California or somewhere West.

That's yeah, good. Where are you at? We've

been at like, what? 375? Yes, maybe you got an early jump for it. Maybe that's why if you're at 449 Maybe that's why I

think I was 389 earlier this week. Okay, I don't know some

anyways. So the next couple of videos have nothing to do with gig work, but I definitely want to display it and it's just disgusting. So this next one is a glimpse at Vega Saygus This is an Uber driver that spits in a mailbox.

Don't be like this uber driver or sorry UPS worker.

Yeah, this will be I will play it twice because it's short just so you get it all you know, he says something too, and I think it was I think it was anti gay. Oh yeah. I think he said somebody had said in the comments I don't know exactly what

the video he says the driver sees my pride flag and yes, but

first of all my ex here I'm bragging about UPS earlier right you know what I mean? Like they're great to work for they're all the workers are great. Whatever. What everyone has a camera on their porch? Every one okay?

I mean, my assumption is that the driver doesn't have a job anymore. Oh

100% fired right and if the Union now they are union if the union supports that they're they're full

of shit. Oh, no, they are. He's gonna be out. Yeah, that's crazy.

Like, I wouldn't say every house I have it but like, I've hang invoices every day like today I did 42 stops

this guy obviously had two cameras. He had the ring cam and there was another cam Yeah, I mean, I got two cameras on two different sides.

Gary he might be more delightful yet AC Oh, stop it he's just a bigot.

Yes. He needed to lose Yeah, I'm

sure he will. This next one is just kind of funny. I think it is a UPS driver too. But it's a dog yes dog tears this guy Oh just a happy happy happy big guy or just the dog or just happy happy happy to have big guy good oh to have good Amazon packaging there. I mean the dog was barely apparently that towards the end you saw the owner come out so she was okay with it. Or he was okay with

that dog just so funny. Yeah,

well look at the packaging on and like he was able to get that open ever get some boxes in there like just barely taped together. When

there's all this holds the items inside is just barely protected. It's like yeah,

sometimes it's over protected. Sometimes it's not. I swear

I got it was like a little battery. In the box. That was like this bag. Right? It was putting in a little padded padded mailer or something like that. Yeah, don't put

somebody screwed up on that one. They just got lazy. They ran out. They ran out of plastic mailers and they just had a box. They're like, I'm too tired. I'm not going to get plastic. It's gonna but

I thought it was automatic. I thought that the computer gives them the package to put it in.

Have you seen the tic tac videos when people like you legally posted their videos because Amazon stripped down phones you can not have your phone out, okay? And he sits at a conveyor and he, they pack the items come to them automatically. They just pull it, they pull it put in the box, put the tape on and ship it down. It's not automatic. Not yet. It should be. But it'd be weird though, because you would think it'd be automatic to like box it up, but like to pull the actual item. I mean, a robot's not going to have the dexterity to get everything you know, I'm saying no, but

this should be it should be automatic what size box to you.

Oh, I'm sure that is I'm sure he should know it pops up what he should use and he probably just

what I'm what I'm saying is on on the conveyor, it just send him the box first. And then the items. box and then the items. Yeah, so it's fully automatic.

I don't know. I'd love to go in there to see how it works. But I'm afraid they put me to work. Right here up. I'm Sherry says dog might not have done that. If the UPS guy had AC? Oh, my gosh. Have those articles up, buddy? No, no,

it's because I didn't have it.

I know we I change on the fly. We got it so fast. We got 10 minutes.

Economy is here to stay adapting to new employee expectations. This is kind of interesting. We talked about this a couple of times. Basically, it's an article from Forbes. But the whole the whole idea is that because the gig economy is here to stay, and it's changing how people are working. This is bringing some new requirements, if you will, the for the employees they need to start they need to change and adapt their ways to keep the employees Yeah, so many workers are thinking about adding additional training security new and diverse revenue streams or even strategically pivoting their careers entirely. It's undeniably that the job market has changed globally following the pandemic. But it's interesting to see how it sets the stage for what's next. And he goes on to basically saying that lots of people are changing jobs all the time. Yeah, obviously the pandemic of bringing a lot more the whole people working from home, that kind of stuff. You know, you don't have to be in the office all the time. People love to stay home for many different reasons, right? It's the I want

to stay home and not work. No, but I mean, people

like to work from home. Imagine some of the big cities where they used to sit 2535 minutes talking traffic. Right? You don't have to do that anymore. Yeah. So it's just that there's been unprecedent number of exits, and the way people want to and will work is forever transformed. Basically this guy, he went to a bunch of different conferences, talking about what is what is changing. And he just saw a lot of things change. That's kind of cool. The trends, I'm watching the most closely I the gig economy and the micro workers what they're talking about. also encouraged by the tremendous opportunities, the new labor market presents for new commerce. For the first time in history, employment terms and conditions are for the most part in the hands of the employee, and not the employer. Do you agree with that, um, in some, in some situations, because the labor shortage is extreme, and companies have operated remotely with Lena train teams for the last few years, employees just don't want to go back to the conduct of living to work, rather skilled workers in 2022. And beyond I in many cases embracing a work to live mentality. Yeah. And that is actually true. And I think that is very cool. So again, it's just talking about the fact that everything is changing. Yeah, the employers has to change with them. And it's no longer all about the money. It's actually the employees. So thinking more, it's more, there's other ways of being compensated.

Yeah. Not only that, my son is 25. And it's just the mentality of that younger age. He doesn't like, kill himself at work. He just wants to work so that he can do his fun stuff. You know, he's not living there. He's doing whatever he's required to do. But it's, it's not like he's like, you know, back in the day was like, Oh, you got to do this for loyalty and blah, blah, blah, and work 60 hours a week. Kids nowadays, you know, I mean, he's a kid, he's a young man. They're like, No, I'm working because I like to do he's an airplane mechanic. He likes to work, but he wants to go camping and hiking and he wants to go do fun things with his friends and stuff like that, you know, instead of working like,

so what your 40 hours Yeah, put your time in, and then do other things. So there's a scenario that bring over though it's kind of interesting, I just put in a few more minutes. A highly qualified nurse applies to teach at a class at a career college they are by far the best match from an experience and fit perspective, but have secondary careers and young children not yet in school. Being a part time educator, help them manage the high stress and volume of requirements in the personal care industry while focusing on other areas of their lives. So instead of having to be a full time educator, they want to do it part time and get paid per hour. Project per things they teach.

So the school wins out because they're not paying Benny's or anything for a full time teacher, and the teacher works out because they're getting excellent. They

say I could automatically dismiss this highly qualified persons, since they have other work and obligations, you know, I want something full time. But if I choose to consider them and empower them, I'm likely to see better performance, higher engagement, and J and retain them as a result. Yeah. So again, it's a different way from the for the employer to look at it, you know, it, yes, it's going to be more difficult for you to manage. And you have to mind it's multiple employees instead of one. But you're gonna have stopped thinking that way.

Yeah, Glenn had saying, you know, they've been trying to, you know, basically fit a square into a circle. And I'll analogy. And that makes sense. But I think the reason that's still going on is because there's old old guard in these companies, no, get your aspect to where you better put the ad hours, and you better do this or like, and they're like, no

fucking, but you know what, those people are dying out. They are eventually they are dying out. And, you know, whoever takes over the companies, if the companies don't die as well, right? Well, it takes over those companies are going to have the new way of thinking, because that's how it's going to have to be Yeah, yeah. It's just an interesting article. I

like working from home. Do you like it a lot better? I mean, I know you're not.

I'm actually a lot more effective. Oh, of course. And that one I used to use on transport. Transportation

is lost. I mean, you gain it back. Right. I

don't have to. I can just, you know, my it takes me like two minutes to get to work. Right. Yeah. Because I walked down my basement stairs.

Yeah, yeah, that's true. And then you're not taking an hour lunch, you know, you're just eating, you know, 15 minutes.

But that that is something that I think that we then have to learn. That is don't I mean, because I'm bad at it. Right? Eat while you're working? Yeah, you shouldn't do that. No, no, you should. You should give your brain that break. And this is some of the things that the employers have to now teach you right. For the work at home people. Yeah. Is that, okay? We need to figure out these rules so that we build into it, to make sure that you people get a good break,

right. Yeah, you do need a break from it. That's for sure. I struggle with that when I'm working on podcasting stuff, just to step away for a little bit.

One thing about working from home, Glenn says there is no time to decompress from the stress of work. Well, that's why you go for a walk. Right? Or you figure out how to decompress still Glenn, right. I mean, yeah. Again, do the walk, or, you know, sit down and do something else. You're right. Normally, you would do that in, in the in the transportation. Yeah, but that can be stressful to know. I know. I know. But here's the other thing from the employees perspective, the employee had to pay for the transportation himself. Right. Right. Both to gas to the car pay for your car, and the time it takes you to get there.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, if you need a break, just take your pants off. Or your underwear. Okay. No, not that kind of break this and all right. patreon.com/con podcast, patreon.com/the gig economy podcast, we'll be podcasting in about 15 minutes or so. Yes, for as long winded. So we'll be a little bit later than I initially expected. But we'd love for you to join us. You got two podcasts a month tonight. It's going to be yes. For me. You get a piece of merch and then you get the $5 tier you get pre show banter. And the $10 tier you get the merch and the extra podcast a month and yada yada yada. So I think I owe Omar a t shirt. So, and I owe Larry a t shirt too. So so check it out. patreon.com/the Gig econ podcast. Yep. Let's see. Let's do the drug news guy says one other one. And this

sounds good. So some overdrive is a word that they're being used as drug mules. Obviously, this is only in the markets that has the Uber Connect. Is that what they call it? So

connect the freight? Yes, Uber connect

the Uber connect drivers have raised concerns about drugs potentially being transported via the service. So yeah, they call it they used to call it Uber freight and is now called Uber connects up. Some Uber drivers are reportedly worried that they are unknowingly delivering drugs via Uber connect the company's courier service six drivers from the US and Australia told NBC News that hang on. They were concerned that customers were using them as drug mules. So one driver told news he took a packet to police station after he was given an almost empty plastic bag. All I could see inside was one little baggie there to crystallize forms in there. The driver told the outlet immediately assume there was some kind of narcotic birth. The driver took the suspicious tickets to the police, according to the news, but said he was nervous as the customer would could track him on the Uber app. I had my head on a swivel because this person can see that I've diverted from the route and the If they know the area, which isn't very far from the house, they can see I'm sitting outside the substation. And it's true, but that is true. But it's over. We're habits customers, we're using the service today to deliver illegal items, alcohol, medication, and or recreational drugs per company website. However, puzzles are also required to be securely sealed and drivers forbidden from opening or looking inside packages. So that being said, You mean yeah, in this case? Yeah, it was a it was an empty plastic bag. Right. Right. Right. And see through pass through pack, just pack it right. I

mean, yeah. I mean, there's so many you could, you could move so much drugs with a lot of these apps if you really take curry. I mean, you

would, who's to say you're not moving drugs to the USPS? I'm sorry.

Yeah, I mean, you can you can, but they have dogs and scanners and bakery is like I go to Sherwin Williams, I pick up some paint. How do I know the guy didn't pack it with math paper? I mean, there's really no way but you could really move some move some drugs. I've been listened to a podcast about a guy that was a dentist and was a big coke dealer. And no one even knew like just it's just in my mind. I'm thinking of all the ways I could make absolute do coke. But then I don't want to go to prison either. So

and we don't have Google connecting all my good, but again, if I hadn't ever packages

an Uber, yeah, you do. I don't know. But we don't have to connect. I don't think it's connect not the freight one. But I mean, Uber you can deliver packages

through brochure. Yeah, send the packets. Well, yeah.

Last one Uber driver sparks debate about exposing a married customers affair. I'm gonna play this. And then we'll talk about it.

Alright, listen up all you cheaters. If you live in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and you ever need a Lyft or an Uber and you get in my car before warned if you ever pull this kind of shift that this guy pulled today, you got the same thing coming. Today I picked up a guy, his wife and his kids walked him out to the to the car said I love you daddy, blah, blah, blah. So he gets in, he says Hi, he goes, I added a stop. I said I saw that. So we go and we pull up at the stop and this lady comes out. She's got a little bit of luggage, like a handbag and a tote small tote. She gets in and she's like, I'm so glad you finally got away from your damn life. Okay, so then he kisses her and it wasn't a Hi, how you doing kind of kiss. And so he goes, I changed our drop off location. I said I saw that. I didn't know exactly where it was that they were going at that particular time. I just saw that it had an update. So they continued to talk and this that the other and she says you know I'm tardy you put me off, when are you going to leave? And he said, You know, I've got some things I've got to take care of, you know, let's talk about this later. Bla bla bla bla bla bla, keep in mind I was about five miles from his house. So understand something, this is my car, I work for myself. I am an independent contractor. If I choose to enjoy a ride, it's my choice. Uber is not going to fire me. Uber is not going to ban me Uber is not going to get rid of me or they might fire you. If you were doing something crappy in my car, I have the right to handle it however I see fit. Well, he things didn't turn out so well for him. I took him back to his house. I drove up and made him and her get out of my car at his home where his wife and his kids were. There was no other way this was gonna go on. There is nothing worse than a dog. I don't give a fuck if you're female or you're a male. Pull some shit like that in my car and you're gonna get done like that. Karma is a motherfucker be better people do better in life. It didn't end well for him today, I'm sure because both of them had their baggage. And both of them were standing in his front yard when I left. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And I hope you see this piece of shit.

Okay, Glenn thinks it's fake. But I really looked at her eyes like it. It didn't look fake. Like that's a really good story because she didn't fumble her story at all.

And it does. My my only thing that I'm thinking about okay, and yes, he's absolutely an ass. I mean, if let's say this story is true. Yeah, he's absolutely an ass. Okay. What I don't like is this puts the kids in the middle of it. Yeah. And I don't like that. And I don't know how to handle it differently. And I'm not saying she did something wrong. But don't do it in front of the

right thing. Honestly, if you really want to expose them, you take him to his destination and you drive back into this house and talk to the mom privately say,

hey, let's look at this camera footage. Yeah, deal with it when you can. Yeah, yes. Yeah. So that's what that would have been a way of doing it. Right. Don't put the kids in the middle of it. That's what I hate. But he was an ass. He shouldn't have done that. Of course. I mean, that's not a man. I mean, no, he was not a man. But no.

Yeah, it I don't know. Glenn thinks it's BS. I don't know. Usually. Yes, sir. is the one that says that the stuffs been,

you know, I agree with you Jason it could be it could be real. I mean,

it could be fake too. I'll I look at stuff and I'm like, it seems real to me I always look at it with a stink eye but it seems real to me. I mean, I didn't spend like 30 minutes on her page but I saw she was talking about it a lot so

but either way fake or real don't do some shit like that. Yeah, no, that's no way you're not a man like that. I'm sorry.

Yeah, there's really no way to prove it either. Like if it is fake, there's no way for anyone to sniff it out other than if someone catches her some weird way they she starts talking shit about it but but cheating

is just I mean obviously wrong. respect respect your other party enough of course to walk away.

That's besides the point. Yeah, yeah. All right, guys. Thank you guys so much for listening to the gig economy podcast. We will be on Patreon in about five to seven minutes if you want to join us there. We're just going to probably talk about some of the other stories that we didn't quite get to. If you go to patreon

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