Guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Episode 121. With your beautiful host, kind of bearded facial hair, yes. For an bearded Jason he's grown his fall beard for the winter. Jays me. Did I say Jason?
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I love it. Guys, thank you so much for joining us tonight. This is a show about the gig economy as our name says we talk about stories, things going on funny memes, that kind of stuff and try to have some fun. Everything that you need to know about our show. If you go to gig economy show.com That would be great. Also, if you could hit that like button on the Facebook and the YouTube video that helps us a lot as well and share it if you're feeling Sherry tonight. Sherry, if you're feeling Sherry And Sherry, let's go and I lost my spot. Thank you. I want to thank our Patreon members, Larry from Bowling Green Samsung from Grand Rapids Steve from Colorado Chris from Grand Rapids James from Fort Collins, but Dyckman from North Carolina Tom Kelly from Houston Omar from Detroit. And we got a new one Lindsey GA from me. We don't know. I just messaged her. So thanks, Lindsay for joining. We really appreciate you join the telegram group. That's a group where we talk shit and talk about gig work and sometimes get some spammers and I have to boot them out because they try to hit on the women. No, I'm just kidding. They don't. But they do try to spam your account with like Bitcoin and shit like that. Super annoying. But anyway, good to get rid of those I am. You know, Sam, and usually Sam, Matt. And John usually hit me a private message or they'll tag me in it. And then because I don't, unfortunately, I mute that group because it gets a little chattery.
But you're about to get into it much more. Right? Yeah, but week and a half away. So you go. So what happened in the week and a half? It's all there are new listeners. Yeah,
that's true. I do gig work full time in the winter, winter, fall, early spring, whatever. I'm a seasonal lawncare worker. So once I get done with that, I don't collect unemployment. And I go out there and hustle.
Hey, that's what it's all about. And I'm looking forward to it. As far as all about
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Yeah, actually, I do. It'll go to YouTube, Facebook and Twitch. So I do it always do. Yeah, just like always. So all right. We got to talk about it. Stories from the road. There's not much but there's one sad story
one sad story. The comfort van is dead. Oh, oh yeah, now is this week. Yeah, we're just tired of putting money into it. And it is officially being retired. Yeah, but the new vehicle is on its way. Yeah. What
did you end up getting? So
we bought a 2020 Kia Sedona? Oh yeah. 2020 2020 kids though. Now
here's my question for you. Did you happen to look up on the Uber app or research if that is considered a comfort van? It is.
It definitely is. I love it. But again, I mean that's part of being a seasonal driver today right? I mean, because I mean I've seen it too and so I started driving want two months ago three months ago or something like that. And everybody was telling me the right now the money in Grand Rapids is in comfort and Excel Excel and I must admit it is the truth I'm every night I've been out I've been confident Excel only and I make good money.
I have a question. How does your beautiful wife think about taking your brand new van out and possibly getting a puker in the first night you take it out?
The answer is the seats up. Fair. No. I mean, that was one of my requirements. Yeah, I gotta get rid of the seat. It's
almost if you're gonna do gig work or especially passengers. Yep, leathers the way to go. Easy Clean.
So in the Sedona, you actually have to get the premium trim to get leather seats.
Oh, really? Oh, that seat leather is kind of become no premium though, right? You should be able to get it without getting the higher trim. But
so we actually had to order a premium trim. Now with that obviously comes all the core features. Yeah. So but so
yeah, you're probably going to have all those new safety features on that thing, too. It has
them all it has driver and what does it call it? Like Lane Assist? Yeah, it has. Well,
it'll pull you back into the lane. Yep. Oh my gosh. Well,
it doesn't really pull you away does but it kind of it. What's it called that force feed in the wheel? In the steering wheel? Yeah. Yeah.
But it moves you in there. Well,
it tells me
Oh, so it won't. It just vibrates, right? Yes. Oh, okay. Because some cars will actually.
Not so. So it'll tell me if you're if you if you don't if you're not. What's it called using your blinker? Because if you use your blinker that tells the van you are Yeah, you're you're intentionally Yeah, otherwise he's gonna pull you back in. But it also has it also have what do they call it a proactive? Cruise. So yeah, it senses that this Yeah. Meghan's car has that too. It's awesome. It's, it's so you'll love that feature. Yeah. And then of course it has. It has a sunroof and it has the has the pulling package or whatever, like
Okay, so, question for you did your other van have a sunroof? Okay. Have you ever had a car with a sunroof? No. That's not that nice. I mean, I love it, how they throw it in there. And it's like, I've probably opened mine like three times. Usually it's 95 degrees. And I'm like, it's too hot. And I close it. But I mean, everyone I that used to be the bomb when you were when I was younger. I wanted a car with a sunroof. I finally got one. I'm like, This is stupid. No, some
of the cars we were looking at. They had a they had a cabin video for the rear. Oh, built in. So on my screen, I could click on the button. And it would show me
what's going on back there. Yeah, we've got grandkids or as your kids get older and like they're bringing their boyfriend or girlfriend home like hey, every day hands on your laps,
whatever it is. Yeah. This one doesn't have that. But yeah, adaptive cruise. Thank you so much. Yep.
Real quick. I don't have any stories from the road. All kind of I'll talk about some first but John had a question. He said I placed an order on UberEATS. Today, I paid for the priority. And tip $12 Holy shit, John, you're ballin? That's amazing driver picked up the order and started driving the opposite direction. I didn't reduce the tip. What would you guys have done?
Well, he was obviously dropping somebody off first.
Or another order? Yeah, exactly.
He said when I saw the driver go in the opposite direction. I messaged him, I noticed you're going in the wrong direction. Do you need help with directions? He he left me on read most likely dirty multi happy. But I mean, he probably was. Well, let
me ask you a question. John. Was your food nice and warm when you got it?
Yeah, I waited like he was going to answer. That's true. I would need to know that. Mark says Oh, watch out for the Kia boys with your Kia van. I don't think your van falls into the you know, because there's a certain year that they've been stealing the key. Oh, the Kia cars. No, no, it's not. Okay, and John says fake leather for the win? Well, of course, it's not real leather. Let's get I mean, we're not savages by any want to kill a cow for that
it came cold. So then I wouldn't if it was cold, I would have changed. I mean, at that point, I wouldn't even have reported it. Possibly.
I would. I would, I would report it back to UberEATS. Try to get at least some of a credit. But I would definitely redo I would cut the tip in half. I'd still tip them some. I mean, he still drove it out. But
But then again, the question now becomes because you're back on new, you know, what happens if you are in the same situation? Right? Well, you are the dry it you are deliver it? What happens if the food was already cold? And you got it?
It's true. I mean, yeah, right. What kind of food was it? That's why my next question, was it in a?
I mean, there's, there's lots of answers to this question. Right. Yeah.
I mean, if it was French fries, they're going to be cold. But I mean, I mean, even if you take if I go to McDonald's, three miles down the road myself and bring them home, the fries aren't going to be cold, but they're not going to be I
mean, I hope I hope if it was really the drivers fault. I hope you reached out to beats. Yeah. And you also rated him low. Yeah, I mean, we should I mean, we should all strive to be better, right? And so so this the same when I have people in my car, if I'm being a total jerk and Dick to them, I hope they give me a one star rating. My fault.
Yeah, I mean, and I'll be honest with you, I've dirty multi app quite a bit and if it's cold, then I screwed up. I wasn't quick enough, I clearly should have not done that. Well, most time I try to be conscientious of the customer if I'm going to if I'm going to take if I'm going to do multi app, and I try to say, okay, is this is this going to be cold? And I'd be like, Yep, it is. I'm not taking it because I don't I don't want to piss people off. So
sorry, John. He goes, he wasn't late yet.
That's stupid. It wasn't late. Yeah.
Well, yeah. couldn't cancel it without charging a fee because it wasn't late. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. You have to do that after the fact if you if you message him before he gets there. So
I would I would report it back saying the food was stupid code and he drove in the wrong direction, whatever I would definitely.
Okay, so my story from the road isn't really a story. It is called and I'm sure you've all heard it. It's called rapa phi. We've actually talked about it on the show. Your boy over here is getting an Amazon ad wrapped on his car.
You are I am for three months for how long? What are they paying you for that? So
it's it's a add light, meaning it's just on my doors and on my back window? What do you think they're gonna pay me for it?
Yeah, what go by week, like weekly? What do you think the week was a week? No, it was like to have John getting that Amazon tramp stamp. Did not John got it? Didn't I? Shit on Amazon last week. And our promo was don't dry for Amazon. Yeah, it's roughly 50 a week. So I mean, for doing nothing. Well, yeah, I mean, think about this. So two weeks, it'll pay for tanker caspase. Every two weeks it'll pay for
a tank of gas. So are they at least paying into a put
the app? Yeah, so I'm not I haven't actually finished the process. I have to submit pictures of my car. I'm hoping that my car is going to be fine to do it. I don't know why might be have a problem because I have that gig economy podcast sticker on my window. Although they can just cover it up. I don't care. I wouldn't be it'd be weird. They would they would make me to take it off. But and then I got a little bit of a rough spot in the back. But I mean, it's whatever. I mean, it's not a piece of shit car. I mean, it's fine. It's, I look. Yeah, it's a nice car. So a a, you know what, we're just gonna go we're gonna go right to the picture. This is this is it for our audio listeners. That car officially the other day, turned 250,000 miles on it now. It ain't like John's from North Carolina who's got almost a half a million miles but that's pretty good for Honda Pilot for beating it up for gig work.
That's 50,000 Miles More than the comfort 50 more. Oh, man. Comfort abandoned. 195.
Okay, yeah, I just turned 250 the other day. So it's gonna be happy about that. But yeah, yeah. Well, we'll see. We're gonna try the Rapa phi. I mean, I really don't care. Honestly, I would do it all the time. What do I care? Right? I mean, I don't care. I like to. It's not like I'm in especially since I'm really not doing passengers. I'm doing just food delivery. I mean, I think it's great. Do you need a tissue? No, I'm good. Yes, we're recovering from a terrible cold. Yeah. Yeah. John's got a raft for 200. You should be able to get a lot out there. You don't have the road salt and the Yeah, you should be fine. So all right. Let us jump into the news. First up, there's I have two pictures to show you of earnings. And I want you I'm going to show the two pictures. And then you know, I think you guys are all smart. You'll be able to figure out the difference. But what are you laughing? Oh, just Oh, the pictures. Okay. Sorry. Hang on. Okay, so here's the first one. I was like, oh, man, like, look at that earning $200 in one week. So then you kind of look a little bit more and then you look at the hours. Right? How is that even possible? Well, how does that even how many hours are in a week? Well, let's figure it out. Do the math. I'm doing it.
By he drove 12345 Hido, seven days,
seven days. So there's 168 hours in the week. This guy had 100 and basically 121 hours online right? Now it doesn't mean he wasn't sitting home laying on his couch, waiting for rides. But you don't make 2200 laying on your couch.
No. But I mean, if you do the math, that's 18 miles an hour.
It's not great. It's not great. 116 trips. Okay, so here's the other one. This is from that. I don't know where market that one was from this is from our market.
Right? Nice. Much, much better.
1900 out 1900 hours $1,900 for 57 hours more trips than the other guy 240 trips. Now again, I don't know if these are bonuses. I'm sure there's bonuses but I was just shocked at the difference of time, like literally a half the time he made about the same amount of money so fight.
I thought that if you didn't get the points to those points that ties into
debt but it doesn't give you more money
No no no but that would tell them that that kind of indeed tells me whether or not they were still blue or their goal or whatever to tell them how many are they canceling?
Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
But anyways, no, I mean the first one obviously was not driving very effective by any means.
No. And again, I didn't ask the person anything like you know, I don't know if if how you know what market they were it's just always fun to look at the snapshot. So up next what do we got next? Oh, this is gonna be a heavy UPS again apparently I need to go back and drive for UPS but next up the Esper has some breaking news for Grand Rapids not breaking
and we talked about it last time a little bit and I didn't know and actually did I think it was the same night after I send you
like the day after the last show. Yeah, so basically,
Grand Rapids is now doing real time fares trip requests in your city are changing soon triple question is here will show you how much you will make and where you will go. So basically, we'll know exactly in real time and my accent may may have already changed I haven't driven since last week because my van is obviously not doing well.
Yeah, by the way when he was driving over tonight he goes this thing is shaken I'm not sure I'm gonna make it like I'll come for you buddy. Sorry.
Yeah, it's a constant misfire on one of the one of the cylinders I don't know so anyways and what I read is it may be it made them may need the engine rebuilt anyway so fast I created real time funfairs are created in real time and reflect what's happening around you two examples of what happens the failures shown in front will be higher when demand is higher data anyways, we'll we'll get to know how much we'll make. So
did it did it did it have a little bit more about long trips being less money and short trips being more money?
So possibly, but we don't know. Yeah,
well, yeah, you won't know you're not getting your car till like the end of the month, right?
Correct. Well, no, no, Monday.
Oh, did they bump it up? Oh, nice. But it'll take you like a week to get it registered with Uber and probably everything
I hope not that long. Because I won't even need I don't need an inspection because it's new enough right because Michigan law the Michigan like the car to be five years older before the inspection is that for
both pretty sure anyways? You're not driving on left so
but I think it's a Michigan requirements so it will be for both Okay, that's my guess anyway, so I haven't looked at them so but my hope is I'll get it approved for for driving fairly quickly.
Yeah, that'd be good. I'm excited to see the van I'm surprised again we talked about we talked that you got a van i i know you love them what what do you love about the van
you know, the number one thing I hear from people still? Who automatic doors.
Oh my gosh,
I know. It's everybody why it's everybody.
I think we're all just simple organisms and we see things automatic didn't but two people walk into grocery stores and go ooh, automatic doors.
The thing is I always open the doors. It's a courtesy right? Yeah, and I hear it right away. That's a nice thing. Yeah. And I people would just they just liked the vans
I would wonder if people would get annoyed if it didn't have power and you're like trying to open you know vans are weird open you can't just open you have to pull it and then kind of push it
out and so people who are noticed who used to vans they will do it and I will tell don't I say Don't Don't touch them and I will open the doors because the people who do they slam them Yes. And I don't want them slamming the door now the other thing that this one has is this seats eight
so all she has to bend seats
was actually not been seats. Oh if the back is bench, but the front is is it's three seats that they they come out as separate seats but when they all there it's it's like a bench but yeah, not
mine seats eight but it's a bench for both of them. Yeah, they're good to see both sides. So
sorry. Anyways, it's comes apart but it's a pretty nice. Yeah. I mean, I like it and I think it's coming nice. It's a vibe. It's white.
Oh, yes. Dirt is gonna show up like scary. At least you won't see the road saw this much.
It's white and unfortunately, the interior trim is also light.
Yeah, it was a tan that's not bad. Tan and white. Well, it's white inside. Well, it's
kind of a lighter colors. Yeah. Oh man. You're gonna buy that.
So here's the thing, and you won't do it, but I'm gonna tell you anyways. Like after every weekend, just go in there, wipe everything down. Because if you sit too long, it's just gonna Sunday's gonna have to be that day and it won't take you 10 More 10 minutes to wipe everything down. Well, gotta get all You know, the, you know, the judges.
The other thing I meant to ask you about, and I can do this on it since you're on the air, you're using an app to, to to control or to keep track of all your costs, right. Yeah. And you keep track of your money or your when when you're in oil changes do and stuff. I was thinking I want to start doing that. You don't want
somebody verbal trademark, somebody needs to make an app for gig workers for that.
Right. But But what is the
Fuelie? No, usually they've changed they hold on. I think that changed a Fuelie. Let me look one more time. Yeah, keeps all the data which is?
So I'm not really that concerned about the extra cost because I use them all on the same credit card. Eggsy. I got I got a well, what are the movers No. moves. Yeah, moves. I got that card. And I love it, by the way. And the app is awesome. But I want to so I'll be No, I'm running all the expenses on that one. Yeah. But I was more thinking about, you know, the maintenance pieces, which I'm not great at, by the
way. No. So yeah, it basically puts all reminders in you can put like when you want to do your oil filter or air filter, but just some fun stats. Okay, yes, we're just fun. So I've tracked this. Now I've owned this car for 164,000 miles. i This is your blow. Yeah. Wait, no, wait a minute. I bought it was 77. So does that equal to 50? No. Yeah. Maybe I haven't tracked not quite to fit. Maybe I haven't checked him out anyways. So I made 19,000 for the car. I've spent $25,000 in fuel. Oh, since I bought this car.
25,000. So how does it track it then? Do you put it in every time? Yeah,
every time I fuel up the mileage, how much it is per gallon. And then it calculates everything for you your gas, like your miles per gallon or you just
put you in put how much you how many gallons you filled up at no cost.
And then I put almost 10,000 gallons of gas in my car. And I've spent $12,000 on maintenance.
But see, that's okay, though. It's good to have visibility of those numbers.
It's a good snapshot. Because you know, you buy another car and you look at it and you're like, Man, this car is costing me so much money, but I just love the stats,
right? No, this is this is good. So you said Fuelie Yep. Fuelie
Yep. And let's see my average price of gallon of gas since I bought this. What do you think it is?
This ever since you bought since
I had six years.
So my guess would be 197. Now
256. Oh, average fuel up was $39 and average price per mile. 15 cents. That's a lot. That's a lot. It is. Yes.
But but so you're paying an average price per mile. You're paying gas. It's 15 cents, 15 cents a mile and we get 54 cents to subtract on the right taxes. Yeah, and I know the rest covers, you know, depreciation and maintenance should know.
Yeah, my average on that pilot is 17.1. So it ain't great.
But no, I mean, this is what I want to start tracking as well on the Kia Sedona
so yeah, yeah, you definitely need to track it. It's important because it gives you maintenance reminders, and they just get it done. But Oh, all right, here comes my ups. Run so the first one is freaking hilarious. Second one is a rip on or was kind of a funny thing with Gary. Gary was on the show last week I haven't seen him on tonight but Alright, so this is a video about a UPS truck driving. This is more of a visual thing so I'm sorry for the audio listeners but we'll talk about a little bit let's see here we go it's 15 seconds
okay, we're watching one more time see ya you're so for the audio, they can't hear it okay for the audio, audio listeners UPS Rocky's driving around there's some goats in a pen and he hits like, I don't know something there.
The story goes to his four goats in the pen right? And they all fall in unison Yes. Because
they're fainting goats. That's what they do they get scared. It's so fun. Oh, I'm sure that clip has gone viral but I hope that UPS driver doesn't get reported for that he probably good because it went viral. So he probably doesn't
happen to the van. What did he did he drive into something? Yeah,
yeah, look, okay, so look played again. Look There's a little like water bucket watch before he hits it. It's black. See him? The Black was drinking out of it. It gets that and it pinches it. Oh, maybe not that.
It's not something it's something in front.
Okay. I thought it was the black. That water jug but oh gosh, fainting goats. I can watch that stuff all day long. Very funny. That
is awesome. So the next one is also a pretty cool one talks about some of the things that UPS drivers have and something they don't have. Yeah,
exactly. So we talked about this. Yeah, we'll play the video and then we'll we'll talk about it. Y'all don't even have AC. Lol. lol nd you know what else we don't have production coming out of our check every pay period for BlueCross BlueShield health insurance. So, basically, Gary always was teasing us that the drivers didn't have air conditioning and I'm like, dude, they make bank and they don't have they don't pay for Benny's. They don't pay for shit there. You know and he's like, alright, I don't have AC big deal. I'll go home in my in my you know, $2 million house. Okay, that's a little extreme. But my beautiful house with AC and I don't have to pay for Benny's?
Well, that's the thing. So the drivers don't have to pay anything. But they get all the benefits.
And they get a pension. I mean, right now, Megan, we are under Megan's insurance, we pay like 450 a month. And that covers nothing. I mean, it's gonna be great if I you know, get really sick, but for the regular stuff.
So I told you, Michelle went to the ER, right, left to go. Yesterday, she saw the preliminary bill of the two hours. She was ever two hours, two or three hours. Right. Yeah. And she has some extreme tests. Right. Yeah. Now this is the preliminary bill that they are sending to the insurance company. Right. $4,000 Whoa. Right.
Yeah. I actually thought it was gonna be a little bit higher. But now, I'm assuming but that's not the doctor's bill. That's just the hospital bill. Right. The doctor will bill separate? Well, I don't know a lot of times those doctors,
this is just the first one we saw anyways. But we also assuming that they're going to lower it because it's all this is not the negotiated rate. Yeah, bullshit, right. Yeah. But who knows? This is the one that the hospital is submitting to insurance for payment, right? Like, are you kidding me? It's ridiculous. Like three hours, right? Yeah. And yes, it was some crazy stuff that happened. And I was fine. By the way. She's fine. Yeah. But
I know. It's our healthcare. So our healthcare system. Okay. Next up is a picture from our local group. And this is I haven't heard much of this. So I wanted to get any people's feedback, basically says these are the kinds of orders you get when you do the $10 an hour guaranteed pay pretty much. Of course, you don't know you get these orders until after you deliver it. So for audio listeners, apparently this person has decided that you can do an hourly pay guarantee through DoorDash. But it's only $10 an hour. Like, that seems crazy. And one of her orders, it was $1.95. So base pay was a buck 95. No tip. And the other one was the base pay was $3.01. And no tip. So basically, she's saying it's not worth to do the $10 an hour guarantee. But who would do a $10 an hour guarantee? And do you get to keep more if it comes in? Are they just giving you the poverty ones?
Well, that's the thing. Right? So that would be a minimum, I guess, minimum $10 an hour. Right? And then you get the tips on how but nobody taps.
Yeah, and but and I honestly think that they're doing that just so people, they send the bottom feeder ones to the people for the guarantee, because they're not gonna send a high paying order to a person that's making $10 an hour. No, I'm just saying if they're going to do a guarantee it's gonna be have to be 15 to $18 an hour for me,
but unfortunately, they don't have to. Well, yeah, they don't because there's drivers who accept to drive for $10 an hour. That's crazy. I would never
know you. I wouldn't even try this. I was driving their vehicle for $10. They're
the same people who want to be employees. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're probably right. This is what's wrong with the system.
See, I wonder if they want to be employees and be flexible, or they just want an eight to five doing DoorDash for $10 an hour? No. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because to me, there's two different things you can want to be an employee but still want the flexibility but I don't think you're gonna get that.
So right. Now, this is this. Yeah.
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There you go. Good. Good wrap up there. Okay, a couple new features. This is heavy ups and rideshare guy cuz I just love the content they put out. I wish I had a team like him. I just don't have enough finger clickers to do it. But these are, these don't explain a lot. But if you go to their YouTube channel after you watch these videos, there's a full length one. They didn't have any written description on their website. But these are two things I had known about. And so we're gonna play them. The first one is about Uber,
the new Uber pro card. And after the video, tell us if you're gonna get it.
Let's see. Hey, everyone, Chris here for the rideshare guy. Now Uber just announced that they are going to be expanding and giving different rewards when it comes to the Uber one pro card like higher cashback on gas and Evie charging, as well as the ability to cash out every single ride free of charge. But this is just for Uber. And there are other companies out there that can do this for different gig platforms all across. And then do you want to have a different checking account as well as your own bank? There's a lot of things here so the question is, is it going to be worth it for you to get and are you going to actually get it or not? come in below and let us know check out the pinned comment for a full video breakdown on the changes that Uber just announced and drive safe everyone
I love I love the the lines that they keep on the rideshare guy like they just like yeah this is great but there's a lot of other cards out like they keep what am I trying to talk about like journalism that's fair and balanced you know what I mean? Like yeah, they okay it's a great feature but why do you want another checking account? Why do you want to do you know what I mean? So
that's what I that's what I don't like now the only thing I thought about I mean I'm not gonna get it I decided I'm gonna stick to my to move moved card, but I Um, and here's what I kind of wish that moves would do this. Because the one thing I'm missing is the additional gas discount. Yeah, because it's significant. Yeah, I could get 7% and back with the Uber pro card. Yeah,
I don't I I know Moses, they love the tax thing, or that sorry, I'm sorry, the stock thing. But I think right now, and maybe they've added an update, I haven't looked recently, but right now we're hurting at the pumps, you know, for gig workers. And that's where he needed
from the ER. Now again, I'm I have all my money going directly into my moves card. It is super easy to use it. I can go to any of the approved ATMs, which by the way, he and Greg Abbott, there's a ton of them is that ATM network. They call something special. I forget what it is. But you know, all the Walgreens have all that stuff. So it's easy enough to get your money.
What I was gonna say that's a pain point for me with moves. I don't know why you can't deposit into my checking account. It's very strange to me.
I guess it's it's coming soon.
It's but I mean, what are they? What every other card has that? Like I can like even my Amazon flex card. Okay, that's Amazon money, I get it. So I'm sure it does cost money. But I'm just saying like, it seems like a lot of people, I did get some feedback from some of our listeners, that the pain point with the moves cart was just not getting it into their own checking account. You know what I mean? I do know what you mean, because I'm not gonna pay my bills out of my moves account. I'm going to use that. But because I don't want to go. Because what happens in the summer when I go back to regular and I'm not doing gig work anymore? You know what I mean? There's I do, it needs to be more a little bit more flexible, in my opinion. And I'm
not I'm not saying it's not, but I'm just saying it's not difficult. No, you
can use if you have Venmo. And you get the Venmo debit card, you can do it that way. And then Venmo into your checkout, but I mean, it's like one extra step. I'm just saying, it's, I understand that is my pain point from them. I love them. I'm going to use their card.
Maybe it's different for me because I'm part time. And so because it's kind of my play my true
that that makes a huge difference. That you know, that's a really good point.
All my all my regular bills are paid out on my regular, you know, my bank account, whatever. So, so it is my I mean, but again,
so basically you're saying when you get around to it, you'll deposit the cash when you even when you get around. Yeah, for me in the winter. I need that money to pay bills. Oh, no, I get that. And I would say that most gig workers, which we've talked about, you know, most of them are part time anyways. So
anyways, I mean, I made at least a couple of dollars in my Uber stock because it's so ridiculously low right now but again, I do like my moves card. Pretty easy. And and yeah,
the only thing I'll be using for gas, I'm going to be using my Flex card when I do flex because I get a ton of money back and gas only gets
the thing we're hurting at the pump. We were just saying that. Yeah, thank moves. If feature, please.
Yeah, just a little bit. You know what I mean? Especially when you can double up like a lot of pumps at Marathon. I use get upside or upside. It's used to be good upside. I cannot stop saying get upside which we have a link that you can save money on. I use our promo code promo code. Yeah, gig gig economy. 25 economy 25. But at Marathon I already get five cents off just for putting my phone number. And
now I did think I did consider changing my active my active credit card on my shell tank, my Shell gas station to the moves card. Because then I'll get the exit was hidden stare. Oh, really? Yeah, you can actually if you sign up for the shell values program, whatever fuel rewards you can you can activate your credit card on that or you can link it. Yeah, as long as you just use that credit card, you automatically get that fuel rewards. Yep. That would be the way to go. So, so that's not too bad. And I always get at least my dislike 3%
Yeah, well, marathon's 5%, without doing anything. So the next feature I'm going to play from, of course, from our buddy, the rideshare. Guy. It's Lyft. And this is a feature that they I've been asking for for a long time. Now. I'm not taking passengers currently, but this is I think this is a game changer.
I love where you say Curt Chris here for the rideshare guy.
Have you seen that lift came out with this new stay within area feature, which is a destination filter. But I like to call it area preference because you're really preferring the area that you can pick up and drop off within. And you get to pretty much name how far you want to go and where you want to drive. Well, if you haven't yet, make sure you check out our full breakdown video. Link is gonna be in the pinned comment.
Now to me, that seems great. I've always asked for that. Like instead of a destination filter, like I only want to work three miles out of the downtown area, just put it on and then I'm basically taking short rides, right? Right in theory, what do you think? What do you you're not excited about that. I'm like you
I don't know if I would use your right.
It's so much situational for you weekend warriors that are just doing bar night. Exactly
I think I would love to do that, especially when you're trying to get a bonus. And maybe there's some restrictions about that. But I think area is incredible.
I mean, I must admit, I really like I like the Uber Uber quests that I've been
getting. Yeah. But that's kind of a you have to pick up in a certain area too. Right? Well,
so the quest the big quests, 50 rides, or whatever. That's that's just grim habits. And the cool thing about those, even the Allendale pickups count out there, that's the it's not just Grand Rapids. Well, but they say it's a Grand Rapids pickup, but it's not. I think Chris was referring to as the kidney, the kidney. That's the area that looks like a kidney Kinda, yeah. And so that's a special that's for the you get to $3 Extra, whatever that comes on there on that, then it has to start in the kidney. I go into habits. But if you do the 50 if you do the 50 or the 70 rides over the weekend, then as long as picking them up in the surrounding area, Grand Rapids, including Allendale Yeah, and they count there. Yeah. And honestly, you don't know this. If you just open to get a bunch of rights. Go to that town. You'll get a bunch of rights and no time. Yeah, especially
if the if it qualifies for the quest. Yep, might as well. Hey, I forgot to mention y'all. You know, obviously we have a Patreon we are yes for now. We're gonna do 1520 minutes after the show tonight. So if you'd like to join us, we'll be doing that talking to more stories as
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All right, next up is you is a tic tac I got so I dropped a story link there. Do you see and then I have a tic tac
abnormal POA? Yes.
I want me to play the TIC tock tic toc. Yep. All right. This is in reference to the hurricane. So
all y'all right now. Y'all know this hurricane was coming. And you still ordered? I gotta go to 172 Y'all today? Oh, yeah. Hey, yo, yo, my everything is when everything is when everything
well, I mean, my it's a fun video and it obviously went viral. Okay. My only immediate comment is why does he hate us? Why doesn't hate Amazon do the wall put him into Yeah,
that's what we're gonna
keep the packages back home.
Yeah, so I so first of all, when I watched the tick tock, I was like, so pissed at Amazon. But if you read down the article all the way to the bottom,
we did not.
So, Amazon said that has over 8000 employees in the Tampa area. And his priority is that these employees are safe. It has closed more than 80 facilities that are the path of the storm. The company will be paying employees for their scheduled shifts during the closed period, as well as providing help to employees who are affected by the hurricane. So you can shit on Amazon, but they're clearly taking care of them. I don't know if it was just a heavier rain than normal. I don't know when this was before the hurricane jagran em yeah, but I don't know when it when he recorded that. I mean, of course it starts raining before the actual main part of the hurricane gets there. So Right. But I wouldn't put put it past them for Amazon saying hey, you need to go out. And that's always a weird thing to write because most of those drivers are with DSPs delivery service partners
gonna say is it really Amazon.
But here's the thing, though, if Amazon says they have to go out, if the delivery service doesn't do it, those guys are on the hook for all that you know what I mean? They can get in trouble. So it's really, I mean, even the vans are AI monitored and everything like yeah, it's it's a delivery service partner. They're third party, but Amazon controls them. Really, if you think about it, right? I mean, if they say no, then they're like, Okay, your fucking fault your whole company. I'm shutting your company down,
right? Yeah, exactly. So don't bother covering
your apps or Yeah, your phones are not going to work tomorrow. We're shutting you off. But my point is, is like they still are controlled by Amazon. And it wouldn't surprise me if Amazon would make them go out in the hurricane. Because they're kind of assholes. They are
kind of assholes. My son seems to think that he wants to go he wants to work at the Amazon warehouse. I know. That's not a good idea, buddy.
Well, is it the packing plan? Or like the warehouse like we go with for flex? That's not so bad.
No, but he he wouldn't. He's not like he wants to be a flex driver. He wants to be at the warehouse.
So there's two different kinds of buildings. There's a warehouse where the semi trucks bring the packages right. And there's a sorting center. Yeah, two different things.
He wants to do the packing of the package. Oh, no,
that they're gonna work them to the ball. Right. They're gonna kill them. Yeah, the warehouse is different.
That's the one on 16th Street, right? That's the distribution center. Correct? Yeah,
that's where the package is where they actually pack them up and stuff like
that. So that's what yeah, no.
Yeah, the warehouse is fine. Where we pick up and stuff. Okay, so a new app, it's not nude, it's called delivered. And there's actually, there's actually a job in this area. I don't know how many it says one, a catering delivery gig, it's bigger orders, bigger tips pre scheduled 20 to $60 an hour 20 to 60. So benefits earnings average range from 25 to 35. And even higher per order. Why did it say 20 to 60? And the first one that says 25? Higher? Yeah, except which order you want to take, choose your availability, and we will work with it. So there use your own vehicle, you have to be available between 10 and two every day. So meaning that's when you have to do it. So it's like, you choose your own schedule, but you're gonna have to be if you choose Wednesday and Thursday, you need to be available for us. tended to Wednesday and Thursday. What if there's nothing available?
What is it no job?
That's sure. I don't know. I haven't. I haven't applied for it. I'm not saying I won't. But um, oh, they do deliver dinner too, but they just don't have the hours listed. So I don't know. I mean, it'd be interesting.
I won't be signing up for that one. Well,
they say it most deliveries occur between 10am and two, but they do deliver 24/7. Right. So I might I might try. I mean, I'll just you know me. I'll apply for anything. Oh, see if it works. I mean, who knows?
You're a gig economy horse.
So anyways, if you want a catering job in Grand Rapids again, I don't know how many they have. But it's delivered. It's D L i v rd. So tickets Oh, hey, next sponsor. Hey, John. McCallion. He just messed with his mic. I you ever see me touch my mic the entire show? No, I never touch it. Because you're testing everything out. Well put your hands up. You gotta pop or you got a penis, put your hands on it. All right. Next sponsor, of course, get upside, no not get upside Jason's son of a bitch. It's just upside. promo code gig economy. 25 gas is still cranking. If you haven't used this app before, download the app with the link in our description, you get 25 cents off. And then when you add the promo code gig economy 25, you get additional 25 cents off your first Philip, I would recommend they probably wouldn't like this. But you can create another email address and use the code just saying I may have done that. They're not going to listen to this. You can create another email address, use the code.
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does work. I mean, it does work. You had real money. So yeah,
I use it every time I fill up. So where am I at? Yes,
for? You are right here in front of me.
Yes, for let's see, let's we're running out of time. So we're getting close to the end. Let me look. So I want you to talk. Let's talk about
the should should you tip your foot? I don't know we're gonna jump
into the Biden stuff. Hope you read it because I didn't read it. This is important.
I didn't read this one god damn it. Yes, it was. This is why I kind of skimmed it. So the idea is that last week we briefly discussed and I can kind of talk about so last week, we briefly discussed how they're going to change the employee status. And the problem is and this this actually just posted the other day, but Biden proposal could lead to employee status for gig workers. And the idea is now this is not just speculation, it's getting closer and closer to being the real deal. Proposed Rule long awaited by labor activists would make it harder for companies to classify workers as independent contractors, contract workers. The Labor Department on Tuesday unveiled a proposal that would make and this is actually this is yesterday, Tuesday. This is how can how new this is. What more likely for millions of janitors, homecare and construction workers and kick drivers to be classified as employees rather than independent contractors. Companies are required to provide certain benefits and protection to employees but not to contractors, such as paying minimum wage, we know all that stuff. Here's the things. The proposed rule is sensitive to tests that the Labor Department will apply to determine whether workers are contractors or employees for companies. The test considers factors such as how much control workers have over how they do their jobs, and how much opportunity they have to increase their earnings by doing things like offering new services workers who have little or have either are often considered employees. Okay. A big Part. And this is in Michigan, a big part of of how a contract worker is is defined is that you have to have multiple, you have to have multiple kind of people you're working for. Right? Okay. So if you only work for one person or one company, whatever it is, then it's harder to, to stay as a contract worker, right. And that's one of the terms. But obviously, the other term is also defined when you want to work very, that's also. So these are some of the things that the Biden administration is, is looking at making harder, and kind of in moving. Yeah. And so we're moving into this whole moving into a rhythm where we all it's gonna be much, much harder for us to be classified as a contract worker. And then of course, if that's what we're doing, then things are gonna change even more from Uber and Lyft. Because if we can be contract workers, then the whole model is gonna come out,
right. So I actually do lean left. And but this is one thing I don't I'm not a huge fan of, because I know if you're lean a little left ear, you know, being a Democrat, you want you know, everyone to be employees, you want everyone to get benefits. It's kind of the the model of if you were to say you're a Democrat, you would kind of be for that. But it's really weird. I try to think of the whole gig economy, I try to take myself out of gig work and say, Well, what about the drywallers? What about like, why are we Why all of a sudden, is this getting thrown into the laws, like people want to change this now with gig work coming around? Like I didn't hear anything about this in the 90s, or the early 2000s, before gig workers is around? And everyone did? I mean, maybe it was thrown around? I just didn't notice. But I mean, like, what about the drywallers? What about the roofers, everybody? That's, you know, you're right over there. I'm fine. Okay. Everyone that is already a contractor why they don't want to be employees, either. There's jobs out there for them if they wanted to be employees,
but don't they set their own rates?
They do. That's the only caveat. I think they do set their own right. That's
the big I think that's one of the big things here is we are driving from a company where we do not get to set our own rates. That's
true. There's some gray area there.
But we also decided we want to do it that we Yeah, so I don't I don't have a problem being a worker. I like doing what I do. I like right driving for Uber. And Lyft. If they want me back, please lift did you apply? I opened the conversation. But now everything is changing because the new vehicle so we're but I reopened the conversation. Yeah, anyways. And I would go by driving for Lyft if I if I could, but But again, I I want to I want it to keep stay wet when you know the way it is. But I'm also the kind of guy who I'm not gonna go out and drive. I mean, so my situation is different. We know that I don't have to drive. I don't have to make the money. But I also wouldn't go out there and driving. If it's for less than $25 an hour. There's just no way. Yeah, that's a waste of my time.
So we struggle with this kind of stuff. I mean, to get down and dirty 79 Easter in this Friday. Yes, we're really on with with Steve and he he will get down and dirty with all this stuff. I'm sure he's even talked about on some of his shows. rideshare rodeo.com. But check it out. Seven to nine. I'm sure Steve will break it down. I'm sure that will be basically the whole conversation as this has just recently changed. Because the stocks took a dump today. Uber, Lyft and DoorDash. Because of something with the Biden this proposal coming out or something. I
mean, let's be real here. Let's be real. If they were paying us better. I'm sure nobody would care. The drivers No. Would care.
Yeah. Do you think Yeah. Everyone says they want the benefits and they want this? Yeah, if they were if they were getting paid guaranteed 2530 an hour, they wouldn't care.
Go back to when when gig economy was in its infancy and everybody was making 50 bucks an hour
ball? No, you didn't hear nothing about nobody cared? Yeah.
Nobody cared. So basically,
they don't want to hustle and work like how you figured out how to make 25 an hour. They're making $8 An hour and they just want money.
Why is that is it's because of your own damn fault. Yeah. Because you accepting all those rights, right? It's the you're living in you're living in the lie of, oh, I have to do it. I can make my money. No, right. The more you have to do it, the more you are forcing yourself to living according to these rules, right? Yeah, just don't accept the $3 rights don't accept the two $50 Doing well.
You got to remember it's not I mean, I'm not saying it you make your own decision to accept those low rides but it is on the apps to how they manipulate you to try to take those low rides, they give you points you become diamond taco rasher. And so they give you these little extra perks or whatever, a little bit off gas. But truly, it's still your decision to take them. So, alright, real quick, we got a wrap. I love this. I can't believe I found this. And this is called SIP Z, sip Z. It's only in Michigan. Basically, you can return pop cans for a gig. This is only in Michigan, it's actually in Grand Rapids you make. So it says how much you will make each bottle is worth 10 cents, you pay six and you make four. So basically, when you turn the cannon, they give you four cents, so you get four cents a can for returning it. And they say that most of their workers make 15 to $20 an hour returning cans. But you also have to go pick them up from the people's houses.
Well, yeah, but picking up up. Yeah.
So you can become a CIP Z returner. I mean, I don't know where I saw this. I think I saw an ad on Facebook. And
but how much does the people or the house get? Then
they get? Okay. So let me hold on. Let me
because I mean, my son takes my cans back now. But why would I not use
the homeowner will get five cents for each can. Oh, so it's half? Yeah. And then subzi takes a penny for each can. So I've never heard a train come through here when we've done the show. So anyways, yeah, they'll come pick them up, and you get an email notification. And there's a way that you can estimate how many cans it's like an estimator. So it's a rough estimate. They can figure out what kind of trash bag you have, and how much you have in there. Now it's I'm going to reach out to him for an interview. I think it's incredible. But yeah, they're out of Grand Rapids, Michigan.
In Denmark, they actually have a service where you they give you special bags, okay? And that bag has a barcode that's to you. Okay, so you put all your cans in the back, you drive down to the facility, you drop off the back and the next day the money's in your bank,
they just scan it and that is that's incredible. Man those European countries I'm telling you, but yeah, they said they've and then you can also donate the money so they have a charity set up so the five cents that you would normally get you can apply it to a donation They said they've donated $13,000
You get a donation receipt it into the year. I'm not
sure on that. But I bet you would I don't know why you wouldn't. Yeah, so Oh, it does that might actually
help this the the charitable church. Oh, there's somebody's yeah, there's
schools on here. Nice. Bunch of stuff. So yeah, it was really cool. I'm going to reach out to him try to get him on the show. That is a good idea. I have not sipsey I've never I can't remember where I found it. Maybe on Facebook ad or something. But I was like, this is cool. I won't do it. But I'm going to so okay, I know this sounds stupid. I'm being bougie. And this is where I feel like blast. But I don't return my bottles. I just recycle them. I don't care. Like I just recycle them. I pay the 10 cents and I just recycle them and I hate to recycle. So I don't I hate returning cans. I hate it. It's gross. It's sticky.
You put now if you use sips you Why not be a sipsey?
You know, I won't be I'll use as a service.
Well, that's my thank you. So you might as well get the final sale now I will
because I just found out but my point is I hated I would never return them. They would pile up in my garage. It'd be gross. The bees are all round in the summer. And I was like, You know what? Screw it. I'm gonna recycle them. But now I'm gonna use this. Why not? They're gonna recycle them anyway get
a sipsey container then.
I don't think so. I think you use a trash bag. And then they can estimate you tell them what size trash bag you have. And they can figure out approximately how many cans in now I don't know if they once you they actually do the returns if they're able to verify exactly how much you earn. I don't know, but it would be it'd be close.
I mean, I mean if I had get out of the way my biggest problem I have right now is some some some cans I have to take a certain stores. Yeah, hate that. Yeah. And then you get to the store and the stupid machine doesn't work. Well that's
the thing. They're probably only going to go to Meijer so if you haven't bought it at Meijer, it's probably not going to work. But they say they guarantee if it's got 10 cents on it, they'll give you the money for it so well that's
the thing. So you know, the sipsey the service worker will have to take you to the sorting and take into the different stores
I guess but I wouldn't frickin do that if it was me. But anyways guys, thank you so much for listening to gigging gig economy podcast. We'll be on Patreon in about five minutes and then we got a couple other stories we didn't get to cover on the show here. Yes, was doing the was it the DAP? I think it's a dad. My kid does
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